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[abbey1227]

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Alcohol killed thousands of young Americans in recent years, CDC study finds. Here are 5 signs you drink too much, and are at risk of serious illness.
Catherine Schuster-Bruce      Wed, November 2, 2022 at 1:40 PM

Researchers "continue to show that excessive alcohol use is a big problem in the US," one expert who was not involved in the study said.Kevin Trimmer/Getty Images

Excessive drinking accounted for one in five deaths among Americans aged 20 to 49 in recent years, a report suggests.

Signs of drinking too much include: wrinkles, poor sleep, a red face, stained teeth, and a belly.

Trouble in relationships, school, or in how you think and feel are also signs that drinking could be a problem.

Drinking too much alcohol accounted for one in five deaths among Americans aged between 20 and 49 in recent years, a Centers for Disease Control and Prevention report suggests. Poor sleep and only thinking about drinking are among the signs that a person drinks too much, according to experts.

The percentage of deaths attributed to alcohol use varied state by state, but nationally it's a leading cause of preventable death, Dr. Marissa Esser, study co-author and lead at the CDC's alcohol program, told CNN.

www.yahoo.com/news/alcohol-killed-thousands-young-americans-184034421.html

[Prometheus]

Too bad we don't have affordable health care and rehabilitation services.


But that's thanks to people like you who hate.

[merh]

Nov 3, 2022 0:46:19 GMT Prometheus said:

Too bad we don't have affordable health care and rehabilitation services.


But that's thanks to people like you who hate.

Not to mention his love of employers over their employees.

The money belongs to the job creators.

[Prometheus]

Nov 4, 2022 17:09:27 GMT merh said:

Nov 3, 2022 0:46:19 GMT Prometheus said:

Too bad we don't have affordable health care and rehabilitation services.


But that's thanks to people like you who hate.

Not to mention his love of employers over their employees.

The money belongs to the job creators.

As long as HE can get by on what his wife makes....

[abbey1227]

Nov 4, 2022 17:09:27 GMT merh said:

Not to mention his love of employers over their employees.

The money belongs to the job creators.

No employers..........no products or services to sell.

All you're left with is a buncha people standing around waiting to be taken care of  

[permutojoe]

Nov 3, 2022 0:46:19 GMT Prometheus said:

Too bad we don't have affordable health care and rehabilitation services.


But that's thanks to people like you who hate.

Living in a kleptocracy where only 20% of folks can get jobs that will afford a decent life and retirement package is clearly a reason a lot of people are drinking in the first place.  But the right will continue to blame the ones who are being shit on and stolen from.

[Prometheus]

Nov 5, 2022 18:11:42 GMT permutojoe said:

Nov 3, 2022 0:46:19 GMT Prometheus said:

Too bad we don't have affordable health care and rehabilitation services.


But that's thanks to people like you who hate.

Living in a kleptocracy where only 20% of folks can get jobs that will afford a decent life and retirement package is clearly a reason a lot of people are drinking in the first place.  But the right will continue to blame the ones who are being shit on and stolen from.

Of course they will, but not just "the right." It's actually any legislator who stands to get some "cool stuff" from the lobbyists. "The right" is just more open and honest about not giving a fuck about their constituencies.

[abbey1227]

Nov 5, 2022 18:11:42 GMT permutojoe said:

Nov 3, 2022 0:46:19 GMT Prometheus said:

Too bad we don't have affordable health care and rehabilitation services.


But that's thanks to people like you who hate.

Living in a kleptocracy where only 20% of folks can get jobs that will afford a decent life and retirement package is clearly a reason a lot of people are drinking in the first place.  But the right will continue to blame the ones who are being shit on and stolen from.

"Now I got a reason, now I got a reason..........."

[merh]

Nov 5, 2022 12:12:00 GMT abbey1227 said:

Nov 4, 2022 17:09:27 GMT merh said:

Not to mention his love of employers over their employees.

The money belongs to the job creators.

No employers..........no products or services to sell.

All you're left with is a buncha people standing around waiting to be taken care of  

I remember when 1 parent could stay home with the kids while 1 worked & they could have a decent life. 

[abbey1227]

Nov 8, 2022 3:29:10 GMT merh said:

Nov 5, 2022 12:12:00 GMT abbey1227 said:

No employers..........no products or services to sell.

All you're left with is a buncha people standing around waiting to be taken care of  

I remember when 1 parent could stay home with the kids while 1 worked & they could have a decent life. 

Tell me what that 'decent life' consisted of.........and be very, very specific

Cuz the average 'poor person' in America these days has as much, if not more than that today.

[merh]

Nov 8, 2022 6:24:41 GMT abbey1227 said:

Nov 8, 2022 3:29:10 GMT merh said:

I remember when 1 parent could stay home with the kids while 1 worked & they could have a decent life. 

Tell me what that 'decent life' consisted of.........and be very, very specific

Cuz the average 'poor person' in America these days has as much, if not more than that today.

Remember when Fox was bitching people on welfare owned microwaves!

Single wage earners were able to buy a home.
They had a phone.
They likely owned a car.

So what are you suggesting people have now they didn't have then?

[abbey1227]

Nov 10, 2022 14:53:49 GMT merh said:

Nov 8, 2022 6:24:41 GMT abbey1227 said:

Tell me what that 'decent life' consisted of.........and be very, very specific

Cuz the average 'poor person' in America these days has as much, if not more than that today.

Remember when Fox was bitching people on welfare owned microwaves!

Single wage earners were able to buy a home.
They had a phone.
They likely owned a car.

So what are you suggesting people have now they didn't have then?

No, I don't remember that. Was it so long ago when a microwave was a luxury item and cost hundreds or more? Cuz you can get one for less than $50 these days.

A home that cost $16,000-$40,000.........a landline that was less than $15/month.

A car, even a brand new one, wasn't more than $2,000-$3,500 back then. 

They didn't have cell phones. They didn't eat out more than once a month. They didn't have Cable or Internet. They didn't have Daycare.

They didn't have credit cards or auto leases. They didn't have nearly as much drug use/addiction as today.

Many didn't even have a TV........much less more than 1.

Kids wore hand-me-downs.......rather than 'requiring' brand name clothing for as young as Kindergarten.

You really wanna know how my grandparents raised 16 kids in a relatively small Cape Cod home? and had their entire back yard be a garden?

[merh]

Nov 10, 2022 15:42:15 GMT abbey1227 said:

Nov 10, 2022 14:53:49 GMT merh said:

Remember when Fox was bitching people on welfare owned microwaves!

Single wage earners were able to buy a home.
They had a phone.
They likely owned a car.

So what are you suggesting people have now they didn't have then?

No, I don't remember that. Was it so long ago when a microwave was a luxury item and cost hundreds or more? Cuz you can get one for less than $50 these days.

A home that cost $16,000-$40,000.........a landline that was less than $15/month.

A car, even a brand new one, wasn't more than $2,000-$3,500 back then. 

They didn't have cell phones. They didn't eat out more than once a month. They didn't have Cable or Internet. They didn't have Daycare.

They didn't have credit cards or auto leases. They didn't have nearly as much drug use/addiction as today.

Many didn't even have a TV........much less more than 1.

Kids wore hand-me-downs.......rather than 'requiring' brand name clothing for as young as Kindergarten.

You really wanna know how my grandparents raised 16 kids in a relatively small Cape Cod home? and had their entire back yard be a garden?

Technology evolves & gets cheaper.

Imagine that.

So you think a microwave is a luxury item?
Poors shouldn't be allowed to own one?

Remember long distance charges?
Damn, I remember mom carefully watching when she called family in another county, much less another state.
Phone bills costing $100 or more. 
$15? Lifeline service? 
Because I remember $30-$40/month in the 80s.

People don't have landlines really anymore. Cell phones have replaced them. I pay $200/month for myself, my adult kid, & my sister to have 4 devices. (Kid has an apple watch & a phone) so $50 per device which includes unlimited internet on Verizon

We had TV over the air. 3 channels. Cable wasn't a thing back then. But look at you & your Netflix ass bring all judgey. 

Internet didn't exist, dude. We wanted to know something we had to haul our asses down to the library & look it up. That's why I believed the public health nurse who lied to me about how one could catch gonorrhea off a toilet seat to cover for my husband. If I had internet, I could have looked it up.

Oh, dude.
Know what one of my summer jobs was in the mid 70s?
I made $60/week babysitting a 2 yr old while her mother worked. 

Women have always worked.
There have ALWAYS been nannies, etc.
McDonalds recruited moms to work while their kids were in school. Sorry you don't remember that ad campaign.

Oh, dude.
Please.
You can't be that ignorant. 
Credit cards have been around over a century.

The concept of using a card for purchases was described in 1887 by Edward Bellamy in his utopian novel Looking Backward. Bellamy used the term credit card eleven times in this novel, although this referred to a card for spending a citizen's dividend from the government, rather than borrowing, making it more similar to a debit card.

Early charge coins and cards
Beginning in the late 19th century, charge cards came in various shapes and sizes, made of celluloid (an early type of plastic), copper, aluminum, steel, and other types of whitish metals. Some were shaped like coins, with a little hole enabling it to be put in a key ring. These charge coins were usually given to customers who had charge accounts in hotels or department stores. Each had a charge account number, along with the merchant's name and logo.

The charge coin offered a simple and fast way to copy a charge account number to the sales slip, by imprinting the coin onto the sales slip. The Charga-Plate, developed in 1928, was an early predecessor of the credit card and was used in the U.S. from the 1930s to the late 1950s. It was a 2+1⁄2-by-1+1⁄4-inch (64 mm × 32 mm) rectangle of sheet metal related to Addressograph and military dog tag systems. It was embossed with the customer's name, city, and state. It held a small paper card on its back for a signature. In recording a purchase, the plate was laid into a recess in the imprinter, with a paper "charge slip" positioned on top of it. The record of the transaction included an impression of the embossed information, made by the imprinter pressing an inked ribbon against the charge slip. Charga-Plate was a trademark of Farrington Manufacturing Co. Charga-Plates were issued by large-scale merchants to their regular customers, much like department store credit cards of today. In some cases, the plates were kept in the issuing store rather than held by customers. When an authorized user made a purchase, a clerk retrieved the plate from the store's files and then processed the purchase. Charga-Plates sped up back-office bookkeeping and reduced copying errors that were done manually in paper ledgers in each store.

Air Travel Card
In 1934, American Airlines and the Air Transport Association simplified the process even more with the advent of the Air Travel Card. They created a numbering scheme that identified the issuer of the card as well as the customer account. This is the reason the modern UATP cards still start with the number 1. With an Air Travel Card, passengers could "buy now, and pay later" for a ticket against their credit and receive a fifteen percent discount at any of the accepting airlines. By the 1940s, all of the major U.S. airlines offered Air Travel Cards that could be used on 17 different airlines. By 1941, about half of the airlines' revenues came through the Air Travel Card agreement. The airlines had also started offering installment plans to lure new travellers into the air. In 1948, the Air Travel Card became the first internationally valid charge card within all members of the International Air Transport Association.

Not to mention 
"Saint Peter, don't you call me 'cuz I can't go.
I owe my soul to the company store."

Yes, there were car loans for new cars.
Dude, the Bible talks about forgiving debts. Think that's just favors?
No.

We did Baker's most every week.
They has 13 tacos for $1.


Drugs have been around for CENTURIES.

The word assassin may be derived from asasiyyin (Arabic: أَسَاسِيِّين‎, ʾasāsiyyīn) from أَسَاس‎ (ʾasās, "foundation, basis") + ـِيّ‎ (-iyy), meaning "people who are faithful to the foundation [of the faith]."

Assassin is often believed to derive from the word hashshashin (Arabic: حشّاشين, ħashshāshīyīn), and shares its etymological roots with hashish (/hæˈʃiːʃ/ or /ˈhæʃiːʃ/; from Arabic: حشيش ḥashīsh). It referred to a group of Nizari Ismailis known as the Order of Assassins who worked against various political targets.

Founded by Hassan-i Sabbah, the Assassins were active in the fortress of Alamut in Persia from the 8th to the 14th centuries, and later expanded into a de facto state by acquiring or building many scattered strongholds. The group killed members of the Abbasid, Seljuk, Fatimid, and Christian Crusader elite for political and religious reasons.

Although it is commonly believed that Assassins were under the influence of hashish during their killings or during their indoctrination, there is debate as to whether these claims have merit, with many Eastern writers and an increasing number of Western academics coming to believe that drug-taking was not the key feature behind the name.

In fact...
I was told the prescribed way to have a vision of God in Biblical times was to go in a cave & fast until one had a vision. What sort of visions does starvation cause?

Geek shows were an act in traveling carnivals and circuses of early America and were often part of a larger sideshow.

The billed performer's act consisted of a single geek, who stood in the center ring to chase live chickens. It ended with the performer biting the chickens' heads off and swallowing them. The geek shows were often used as openers for what are commonly known as freak shows. It was a matter of pride among circus and carnival professionals not to have traveled with a troupe that included geeks. Geeks were often alcoholics or drug addicts, and paid with liquor – especially during Prohibition – or with narcotics.

Again, TV was technology

In Britain, from the very beginning of regular television broadcasting in 1936 until the 1980s, interior scenes for television drama and comedy shows were shot with electronic cameras, while exterior scenes were shot with 16-mm film cameras. This arrangement conditioned British viewers to identify a "live" look with interior scenes and a "film" look with exterior scenes. In the U.S. and West Germany, most shows were produced completely in either film or video to avoid jarring difference in frame rate. Most other countries avoided outdoor shots for television productions as much as they could until portable video cameras became available.

By the early 1960s, about 90% of U.S. households had a television set, and the roles of television and radio had changed significantly.

We had 2 or 3.

Mom had one in the kitchen & my folks had one in their room & we had a color one in the living room.

Clothes?
We got new clothes for school every year. With only 2 kids there weren't a lot do hand-me-downs, though I got my sister's old clothes.  But the hand-me-downs  were supplemental.  Stretch the clothes budget.

Your grandma didn't make the clothes?
Really?
Mom made simple summer shifts for us. I mad some of my kid's  clothes.

Your memories are a bit off, dude.

[abbey1227]

Nov 14, 2022 4:51:07 GMT merh said:

Technology evolves & gets cheaper.
Imagine that.

So you think a microwave is a luxury item?
Poors shouldn't be allowed to own one?

Remember long distance charges?
Damn, I remember mom carefully watching when she called family in another county, much less another state.
Phone bills costing $100 or more. 
$15? Lifeline service? 
Because I remember $30-$40/month in the 80s.
People don't have landlines really anymore. Cell phones have replaced them. I pay $200/month for myself, my adult kid, & my sister to have 4 devices. (Kid has an apple watch & a phone) so $50 per device which includes unlimited internet on Verizon

We had TV over the air. 3 channels. Cable wasn't a thing back then. But look at you & your Netflix ass bring all judgey.
Internet didn't exist, dude. We wanted to know something we had to haul our asses down to the library & look it up. That's why I believed the public health nurse who lied to me about how one could catch gonorrhea off a toilet seat to cover for my husband. If I had internet, I could have looked it up.

Oh, dude.
Know what one of my summer jobs was in the mid 70s?
I made $60/week babysitting a 2 yr old while her mother worked. 

Women have always worked.
There have ALWAYS been nannies, etc.
McDonalds recruited moms to work while their kids were in school. Sorry you don't remember that ad campaign.

Oh, dude.
Please.
You can't be that ignorant. 
Credit cards have been around over a century.

The concept of using a card for purchases was described in 1887

Not to mention 
"Saint Peter, don't you call me 'cuz I can't go.
I owe my soul to the company store."
Yes, there were car loans for new cars.
Dude, the Bible talks about forgiving debts. Think that's just favors?
No.
We did Baker's most every week.
They has 13 tacos for $1.

Drugs have been around for CENTURIES.

In fact...
I was told the prescribed way to have a vision of God in Biblical times was to go in a cave & fast until one had a vision. What sort of visions does starvation cause?

 Geeks were often alcoholics or drug addicts, and paid with liquor – especially during Prohibition – or with narcotics.
Again, TV was technology

By the early 1960s, about 90% of U.S. households had a television set, and the roles of television and radio had changed significantly.

We had 2 or 3.
Mom had one in the kitchen & my folks had one in their room & we had a color one in the living room.
Clothes?
We got new clothes for school every year. With only 2 kids there weren't a lot do hand-me-downs, though I got my sister's old clothes.  But the hand-me-downs  were supplemental.  Stretch the clothes budget.
Your grandma didn't make the clothes?Really?
Mom made simple summer shifts for us. I mad some of my kid's  clothes.Your memories are a bit off, dude.

A microwave is both.........a luxury item AND an inexpensive convenience item. Just try to stay with the thought of WANTS vs NEEDS, okay?

I remember well long distance charges. I also remember a local phone bill only being around $10. My argument is simply they've convinced Americans that they NEED all of these things that are much more expensive than anything people had in the past.........the fact that it wasn't needed in the past should tell you that it's not so much a NEED today.

You're calling me 'judgey'......but ignoring how the typical American can't seem to make ends meet? And I list all the reasons, but I'm the arsehole for pointing them out? Truth hurts that much?

McDonalds was always a sort of 'fill in the gap' sorta job, for teens, the elderly.......and yes, Moms during school. So when did this idea that it had to provide a 'living wage' ever come into being? You can't see how ridiculous that is?

Yeah, and punch card computers were around long before the laptop.......WTH does that have to do with just about EVERY American having a plastic charge card in their pocket now? They've been groomed to go into debt and they've bought it hook, line and sinker.

Show me the part of the Bible that says it's the tax payer's responsibility to forgive others' debt?  if YOU wanna let a deadbeat off the hook, that's fine. Leave the rest of us out of it.

Lots of human behaviors have been around for centuries........you'd think people would learn to avoid the pitfalls then, huh? Not with the sheer amount of enabling going on now.

You've been poor before. So you should be siding more with me on the difference between WANTS vs NEEDS.

[merh]

Nov 14, 2022 9:06:37 GMT abbey1227 said:

Nov 14, 2022 4:51:07 GMT merh said:

Technology evolves & gets cheaper.
Imagine that.

So you think a microwave is a luxury item?
Poors shouldn't be allowed to own one?

Remember long distance charges?
Damn, I remember mom carefully watching when she called family in another county, much less another state.
Phone bills costing $100 or more. 
$15? Lifeline service? 
Because I remember $30-$40/month in the 80s.
People don't have landlines really anymore. Cell phones have replaced them. I pay $200/month for myself, my adult kid, & my sister to have 4 devices. (Kid has an apple watch & a phone) so $50 per device which includes unlimited internet on Verizon

We had TV over the air. 3 channels. Cable wasn't a thing back then. But look at you & your Netflix ass bring all judgey.
Internet didn't exist, dude. We wanted to know something we had to haul our asses down to the library & look it up. That's why I believed the public health nurse who lied to me about how one could catch gonorrhea off a toilet seat to cover for my husband. If I had internet, I could have looked it up.

Oh, dude.
Know what one of my summer jobs was in the mid 70s?
I made $60/week babysitting a 2 yr old while her mother worked. 

Women have always worked.
There have ALWAYS been nannies, etc.
McDonalds recruited moms to work while their kids were in school. Sorry you don't remember that ad campaign.

Oh, dude.
Please.
You can't be that ignorant. 
Credit cards have been around over a century.

Not to mention 
"Saint Peter, don't you call me 'cuz I can't go.
I owe my soul to the company store."
Yes, there were car loans for new cars.
Dude, the Bible talks about forgiving debts. Think that's just favors?
No.
We did Baker's most every week.
They has 13 tacos for $1.

Drugs have been around for CENTURIES.

In fact...
I was told the prescribed way to have a vision of God in Biblical times was to go in a cave & fast until one had a vision. What sort of visions does starvation cause?

 Geeks were often alcoholics or drug addicts, and paid with liquor – especially during Prohibition – or with narcotics.
Again, TV was technology

We had 2 or 3.
Mom had one in the kitchen & my folks had one in their room & we had a color one in the living room.
Clothes?
We got new clothes for school every year. With only 2 kids there weren't a lot do hand-me-downs, though I got my sister's old clothes.  But the hand-me-downs  were supplemental.  Stretch the clothes budget.
Your grandma didn't make the clothes?Really?
Mom made simple summer shifts for us. I mad some of my kid's  clothes.Your memories are a bit off, dude.

A microwave is both.........a luxury item AND an inexpensive convenience item. Just try to stay with the thought of WANTS vs NEEDS, okay?

Look at you deciding what people need.

The oven in this apartment sucks so we use our microwave all the time.
Oooooo! Luxury!

Jesus, dude

Nov 14, 2022 9:06:37 GMT abbey1227 said:

I remember well long distance charges. I also remember a local phone bill only being around $10. My argument is simply they've convinced Americans that they NEED all of these things that are much more expensive than anything people had in the past.........the fact that it wasn't needed in the past should tell you that it's not so much a NEED today.

So everyone should be able to live by your standard?

I tried Sprint, but they always seemed to come out higher on the long distance & the reception sucked. I used Pacific Bell for my landline & it was $30-$40/month.

Nov 14, 2022 9:06:37 GMT abbey1227 said:

You're calling me 'judgey'......but ignoring how the typical American can't seem to make ends meet? And I list all the reasons, but I'm the arsehole for pointing them out? Truth hurts that much?

Yes.
You think everyone needs to exist by your rules.

So yes, you are judgey.

Nov 14, 2022 9:06:37 GMT abbey1227 said:

McDonalds was always a sort of 'fill in the gap' sorta job, for teens, the elderly.......and yes, Moms during school. So when did this idea that it had to provide a 'living wage' ever come into being? You can't see how ridiculous that is?

Gee, when I worked at Jack-in-the Box in 1979 they promoted it as a career. If one worked 32 hours a week one qualified for healthcare & a retirement plan.

Why is it OK to screw over the employees so the CEO can make millions?

Nov 14, 2022 9:06:37 GMT abbey1227 said:

Yeah, and punch card computers were around long before the laptop.......WTH does that have to do with just about EVERY American having a plastic charge card in their pocket now? They've been groomed to go into debt and they've bought it hook, line and sinker.

Sob story.
My folks were doing the American Dream.
Buying a home.
Credit cards, yep.
Responsibly within their budget
Until those cows messed up my dad's knees & he needed to take 2 yrs off working to get his knees operated on-it took a year per knee back in those days. So he had to go to a trade school.

We ended up on welfare.
My folks filed bankruptcy. Lost everything.

I guess that makes them irresponsible scum in your book.
People should have everything planned out, right?

So wait.
You pay cash for your home?
Loans are evil, right?

Nov 14, 2022 9:06:37 GMT abbey1227 said:

Show me the part of the Bible that says it's the tax payer's responsibility to forgive others' debt?  if YOU wanna let a deadbeat off the hook, that's fine. Leave the rest of us out of it.

Matthew 18:21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?

22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.

23 Therefore is the kingdom of heaven likened unto a certain king, which would take account of his servants.

24 And when he had begun to reckon, one was brought unto him, which owed him ten thousand talents.

25 But forasmuch as he had not to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children, and all that he had, and payment to be made.

26 The servant therefore fell down, and worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.

27 Then the lord of that servant was moved with compassion, and loosed him, and forgave him the debt.

28 But the same servant went out, and found one of his fellowservants, which owed him an hundred pence: and he laid hands on him, and took him by the throat, saying, Pay me that thou owest.

29 And his fellowservant fell down at his feet, and besought him, saying, Have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.

30 And he would not: but went and cast him into prison, till he should pay the debt.

31 So when his fellowservants saw what was done, they were very sorry, and came and told unto their lord all that was done.

32 Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me:

33 Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee?

34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.

35 So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses

Nov 14, 2022 9:06:37 GMT abbey1227 said:

Lots of human behaviors have been around for centuries........you'd think people would learn to avoid the pitfalls then, huh? Not with the sheer amount of enabling going on now.

You've been poor before. So you should be siding more with me on the difference between WANTS vs NEEDS.

Because I know there but for the grace of god go I.

I do not delight in people dying in the streets.

I do not feel myself superior to others over their life choices.

[abbey1227]

Nov 16, 2022 19:51:49 GMT merh said:

Nov 14, 2022 9:06:37 GMT abbey1227 said:

A microwave is both.........a luxury item AND an inexpensive convenience item. Just try to stay with the thought of WANTS vs NEEDS, okay?

Look at you deciding what people need.

The oven in this apartment sucks so we use our microwave all the time.
Oooooo! Luxury!

Jesus, dude

So everyone should be able to live by your standard?

I tried Sprint, but they always seemed to come out higher on the long distance & the reception sucked. I used Pacific Bell for my landline & it was $30-$40/month.

Yes.
You think everyone needs to exist by your rules.

So yes, you are judgey.

Gee, when I worked at Jack-in-the Box in 1979 they promoted it as a career. If one worked 32 hours a week one qualified for healthcare & a retirement plan.

Why is it OK to screw over the employees so the CEO can make millions?

Sob story.
My folks were doing the American Dream.
Buying a home.
Credit cards, yep.
Responsibly within their budget
Until those cows messed up my dad's knees & he needed to take 2 yrs off working to get his knees operated on-it took a year per knee back in those days. So he had to go to a trade school.

We ended up on welfare.
My folks filed bankruptcy. Lost everything.

I guess that makes them irresponsible scum in your book.
People should have everything planned out, right?

So wait.
You pay cash for your home?
Loans are evil, right?

35 So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses

Because I know there but for the grace of god go I.
I do not delight in people dying in the streets.
I do not feel myself superior to others over their life choices.

And look at you deciding what other people should be allowed to keep of their own money. 

You can't even acknowledge when a piece of electronics or modern device is a luxury? Compared to real poverty around the world? What's wrong with you?

No, everyone doesn't have to live by my standards. But they should be honest enough with themselves to recognize the choices they make for themselves results in the lives they lead. Wasn't that the lesson you tried to get across to your many clients?

I hardly think your father's situation would have earned him the label 'scum'.

Loans are not evil. Expecting others to pay them or forgive them is, in my book anyway.

What heart? There you go leading with your bleeding emotions yet again.

You feel superior for your political and religious choices. Clearly you're better than others.......in some ways. No more important or valuable than others though in reality. Just like the rest of us.

[merh]

Nov 17, 2022 2:36:48 GMT abbey1227 said:

Nov 16, 2022 19:51:49 GMT merh said:

Look at you deciding what people need.

The oven in this apartment sucks so we use our microwave all the time.
Oooooo! Luxury!

Jesus, dude

So everyone should be able to live by your standard?

I tried Sprint, but they always seemed to come out higher on the long distance & the reception sucked. I used Pacific Bell for my landline & it was $30-$40/month.

Yes.
You think everyone needs to exist by your rules.

So yes, you are judgey.

Gee, when I worked at Jack-in-the Box in 1979 they promoted it as a career. If one worked 32 hours a week one qualified for healthcare & a retirement plan.

Why is it OK to screw over the employees so the CEO can make millions?

Sob story.
My folks were doing the American Dream.
Buying a home.
Credit cards, yep.
Responsibly within their budget
Until those cows messed up my dad's knees & he needed to take 2 yrs off working to get his knees operated on-it took a year per knee back in those days. So he had to go to a trade school.

We ended up on welfare.
My folks filed bankruptcy. Lost everything.

I guess that makes them irresponsible scum in your book.
People should have everything planned out, right?

So wait.
You pay cash for your home?
Loans are evil, right?



Because I know there but for the grace of god go I.
I do not delight in people dying in the streets.
I do not feel myself superior to others over their life choices.

And look at you deciding what other people should be allowed to keep of their own money. 

You can't even acknowledge when a piece of electronics or modern device is a luxury? Compared to real poverty around the world? What's wrong with you?

No, everyone doesn't have to live by my standards. But they should be honest enough with themselves to recognize the choices they make for themselves results in the lives they lead. Wasn't that the lesson you tried to get across to your many clients?

I hardly think your father's situation would have earned him the label 'scum'.

Loans are not evil. Expecting others to pay them or forgive them is, in my book anyway.

What heart? There you go leading with your bleeding emotions yet again.

You feel superior for your political and religious choices. Clearly you're better than others.......in some ways. No more important or valuable than others though in reality. Just like the rest of us.

A microwave is not a luxury. 
Is a fridge? 
Time was people didn't have refrigeration.
That whole icebox thing

An icebox (also called a cold closet) is a compact non-mechanical refrigerator which was a common early-twentieth-century kitchen appliance before the development of safely powered refrigeration devices. Before the development of electric refrigerators, iceboxes were referred to by the public as "refrigerators". Only after the invention of the modern day electric refrigerator did early non-electric refrigerators become known as iceboxes. The terms ice box and refrigerator were used interchangeably in advertising as long ago as 1848.

The first recorded use of refrigeration technology dates back to 1775 BC in the Sumerian city of Terqa. It was there that the region's King, Zimri-lim, began the construction of an elaborate ice house fitted with a sophisticated drainage system and shallow pools to freeze water in the night. Using ice for cooling and preservation was nothing new at this point, but these ice houses paved the way for their smaller counterpart, the icebox, to come into existence. The more traditional icebox dates back to the days of ice harvesting, which had hit an industrial high that ran from the mid-19th century until the 1930s, when the refrigerator was introduced into the home. Most municipally consumed ice was harvested in winter from snow-packed areas or frozen lakes, stored in ice houses, and delivered domestically. In 1827 the commercial ice cutter was invented, which increased the ease and efficiency of harvesting natural ice. This invention made ice cheaper and in turn helped the icebox become more common. Up until this point, iceboxes were used for personal means but not for mass manufacturing. By the 1840s, various companies appeared including Sears, The Baldwin Refrigerator Company, and the Ranney Refrigerator Company started getting involved in the icebox manufacturing industry. D. Eddy & Son of Boston is considered to be the first company to produce iceboxes in mass quantities. During this time, many Americans desired big iceboxes. Companies such as the Boston Scientific Refrigerator Company introduced iceboxes which could hold up to 50 lbs of ice. In a 1907 survey of expenditures of New York City inhabitants, 81% of the families surveyed were found to possess "refrigerators" either in the form of ice stored in a tub or iceboxes. The effort of the icebox manufacturing industry and its improved technology allowed the United States' value to rise from $4.5 million in 1889 to $26 million in 1919

We don't live in Africa.
Why should we rate necessity in America to necessity in China?

I understood my clients needed to have a phone to allow their employer to reach them & the common standard in the US is a cell phone. It was Ronnie who moved it forward.

The Communications Act of 1934 includes in its preamble a reference to universal service. It calls for "rapid, efficient, Nation-wide, and world-wide wire and radio communication service with adequate facilities at reasonable charges" to "all the people of the United States." Communications Act of 1934 – Title I, Sec. 1  The Communications Act of 1934 first established the concept of making affordable basic telephone service available to everyone everywhere within a nation, state, or other governmental jurisdiction.

To comply with the act, AT&T began increasing the price of long-distance service to pay for universal service. The act also established the FCC to oversee all non-governmental broadcasting, interstate communications, as well as international communication which originate or terminate in the United States.

Before the Telecommunications Act of 1996, the Universal Service Fund (USF) operated as a mechanism by which interstate long-distance carriers were assessed to subsidize telephone service to low-income households and high-cost areas in order to ensure that all the people in the United States have access to rapid, efficient, nationwide communications service with sufficient facilities at realistic charges.

Era of deregulation
There was a push for deregulating the telecommunications industry in the 1980s. Under President Ronald Reagan, the FCC shifted its focus from "social equity to an economic efficiency objective," which it claimed was a primary purpose of the Communications Act of 1934. After AT&T was split up in 1984, universal service was still "supported by a system of above-cost access charges paid to local exchange companies." This system was administered by the National Exchange Carrier Association. Increased competition and universal service were later legislatively addressed and codified with the Telecommunications Act of 1996.

Telecommunications Act of 1996
Main article: Telecommunications Act of 1996
The Universal Service Fund was first codified in the Telecommunications Act of 1996, the first major rewrite of the Communications Act of 1934. The act addresses new challenges and opportunities of the digital information age, with the goal of promoting an economic environment conducive for the growth of new information technology. It also further developed the meaning and implementation of universal service. The act calls for the creation of a joint federal-state board to make recommendations to the FCC on defining federal universal services and set time tables. The act also set out immediate priorities of universal service. These include quality and reasonably priced services, access to advanced telecommunication services, access for rural, low-income and high-cost regions, equitable and nondiscriminatory service, specific and predictable price structure, access of advanced telecommunication services for schools and health care and libraries

I told my clients my job was to get them to comply with their court orders & to be productive cogs in society.

We are all fellow Americans.
I have compassion.
People who lack it are baffling to me.

AMC+ is doing a free preview this weekend. 
I very much enjoyed Halt & Catch Fire.
Did you watch it?

I love Donna's speech from like the last episode, but I mention the show for the ep I caught 
Season 3 Episode 8

I, Ryan Ray, released the McMillan Utility source code. I acted alone. No one helped me & no one told me to do it. I did this because "security" is a myth. Contrary to what you might have heard, my friends, you are NOT safe.

Safety is a story. It's something we teach our children so they can sleep at night, but we know it's not real.
Beware, baffled humans. Beware of false prophets that will sell you a fake future, of bad teachers, corrupt leaders & dirty corporations. Beware of cops & robbers, the kind that rob your dreams.
But most of all, beware of each other because everything is about to change. The world is going to crack wide open. There's something on the horizon. A massive connectivity. The barriers between us will disappear & we're not ready. We'll hurt each other in new ways. We'll sell & be sold. We'll expose our most tender selves only to be mocked & destroyed. We'll be so vulnerable & we'll pay the price. We won't be able to pretend that we can protect ourselves anymore.
It's a huge danger, a gigantic risk, but it's worth it.
If only we can learn to take care of each other. Then this awesome destrtuctive new connection won't isolate us. It won't leave us in the end so totally alone.

It is another phrasing of the idea Chobits put forward.
How the internet changed our lives.

[abbey1227]

Nov 18, 2022 3:30:54 GMT merh said:

A microwave is not a luxury. 
Is a fridge? 
Time was people didn't have refrigeration.
That whole icebox thing

We don't live in Africa.
Why should we rate necessity in America to necessity in China?

I understood my clients needed to have a phone to allow their employer to reach them & the common standard in the US is a cell phone. It was Ronnie who moved it forward.

I told my clients my job was to get them to comply with their court orders & to be productive cogs in society.
We are all fellow Americans.
I have compassion.  People who lack it are baffling to me.

AMC+ is doing a free preview this weekend. 
I very much enjoyed Halt & Catch Fire.
Did you watch it?

I love Donna's speech from like the last episode, but I mention the show for the ep I caught 
Season 3 Episode 8

I, Ryan Ray, released the McMillan Utility source code. I acted alone. No one helped me & no one told me to do it. I did this because "security" is a myth. Contrary to what you might have heard, my friends, you are NOT safe.


If only we can learn to take care of each other. Then this awesome destructive new connection won't isolate us. It won't leave us in the end so totally alone.

It is another phrasing of the idea Chobits put forward.How the internet changed our lives.

This conversation is too funny to me. Yes, a microwave is a luxury item. Even a fridge is to some extent.

WHY is this even up for discussion? ALL a human needs to survive is food, water, clothing and a bit of shelter. That's it. EVERYTHING else is a luxury item. That's why I say even our poor these days often live better than royalty of the past.

Screw China. It's simply the science of what a human animal needs to survive from day to day, week to week. That's it. And by the way, many places in Africa are quite nice and modern. 

I get by without a cell phone.......it's a luxury item. It's convenient as heck, sure. But don't bother trying to insist it's a necessity. I don't care if St. Ronnie got conned into that handout, too. You know I take offense to the cell phone bill and the utility bill having an 'extra fee' to pay for the disadvantaged.

imo, you have TOO MUCH compassion and I find you kinda people baffling, as well. In the extreme, you're enablers.Your abundance of compassion doesn't seem to really help people or solve their issues. It just spreads their misery around to others.

Haven't heard of that one nor seen it. There is no 'learning to take care of each other' IF a certain amount of people never take care of themselves first. That's just the sad truth about humanity.

I find the internet hilarious in so many ways. It's supposed to make the world smaller and more social.......people are lonelier than ever. It's supposed to provide info/education at everyone's fingertips, people are behaving dumber than ever, imo. And between the internet and their 'smart' phones....... they have just added one more thing to their list of 'needs'.....when they're really just the latest in wants. It's ridiculous.

[merh]

Nov 18, 2022 13:47:22 GMT abbey1227 said:

Nov 18, 2022 3:30:54 GMT merh said:

A microwave is not a luxury. 
Is a fridge? 
Time was people didn't have refrigeration.
That whole icebox thing

We don't live in Africa.
Why should we rate necessity in America to necessity in China?

I understood my clients needed to have a phone to allow their employer to reach them & the common standard in the US is a cell phone. It was Ronnie who moved it forward.

I told my clients my job was to get them to comply with their court orders & to be productive cogs in society.
We are all fellow Americans.
I have compassion.  People who lack it are baffling to me.

AMC+ is doing a free preview this weekend. 
I very much enjoyed Halt & Catch Fire.
Did you watch it?

I love Donna's speech from like the last episode, but I mention the show for the ep I caught 
Season 3 Episode 8


It is another phrasing of the idea Chobits put forward.How the internet changed our lives.

This conversation is too funny to me. Yes, a microwave is a luxury item. Even a fridge is to some extent.

WHY is this even up for discussion? ALL a human needs to survive is food, water, clothing and a bit of shelter. That's it. EVERYTHING else is a luxury item. That's why I say even our poor these days often live better than royalty of the past.

Screw China. It's simply the science of what a human animal needs to survive from day to day, week to week. That's it. And by the way, many places in Africa are quite nice and modern. 

I get by without a cell phone.......it's a luxury item. It's convenient as heck, sure. But don't bother trying to insist it's a necessity. I don't care if St. Ronnie got conned into that handout, too. You know I take offense to the cell phone bill and the utility bill having an 'extra fee' to pay for the disadvantaged.

imo, you have TOO MUCH compassion and I find you kinda people baffling, as well. In the extreme, you're enablers.Your abundance of compassion doesn't seem to really help people or solve their issues. It just spreads their misery around to others.

Haven't heard of that one nor seen it. There is no 'learning to take care of each other' IF a certain amount of people never take care of themselves first. That's just the sad truth about humanity.

I find the internet hilarious in so many ways. It's supposed to make the world smaller and more social.......people are lonelier than ever. It's supposed to provide info/education at everyone's fingertips, people are behaving dumber than ever, imo. And between the internet and their 'smart' phones....... they have just added one more thing to their list of 'needs'.....when they're really just the latest in wants. It's ridiculous.

Halt and Catch Fire is an American period drama television series created by Christopher Cantwell and Christopher C. Rogers. It aired on the cable network AMC in the United States from June 1, 2014, to October 14, 2017, spanning four seasons and 40 episodes. It depicts a fictionalized insider's view of the personal computer revolution of the 1980s and the early days of the World Wide Web in the early 1990s. The show's title refers to computer machine code instruction Halt and Catch Fire (HCF), the execution of which would cause the computer's central processing unit to stop working (and facetiously catch fire).

Halt and Catch Fire experienced low viewership ratings throughout its run, with only the first episode surpassing one million viewers for its initial broadcast. The series debuted to generally favorable reviews, though many reviewers initially found it derivative of other series such as Mad Men. In each subsequent season, the series grew in acclaim, and by the time it concluded, critics considered it among the greatest shows of the 2010s. In 2021, BBC Culture ranked Halt and Catch Fire the 50th-greatest TV series of the 21st century, based on a poll of 206 TV experts from 43 countries

Lee Pace was in it.
It's one of those dense titles one needs to paybattention to. There were a couple of strong female characters. Pace was something of the villain. Just used so many of the cast. Very good job of being a charming cad.








Look at you.

Do you run around in cheap clothes? 
T-shirts & jeans & tenny runners?

Or just a cloth bag with holes cut out for the head & arms?

Who needs a stove? Just a Fire pit in the back yard!

Sorry.
Female driver.
I need a cell phone for when my neon died on the road several times.
I actually use texting more so it's a portable telegraph machine.
You could use Ryan Reynolds' Mint Mobile that's supposed to be cheap.

Tis the season.
I will need to catch Christmas Carol.
"Mankind was my business"

[abbey1227]

Nov 21, 2022 0:55:34 GMT merh said:

Do you run around in cheap clothes? 
T-shirts & jeans & tenny runners?

Or just a cloth bag with holes cut out for the head & arms?

Who needs a stove? Just a Fire pit in the back yard!

Sorry.
Female driver.
I need a cell phone for when my neon died on the road several times.
I actually use texting more so it's a portable telegraph machine.
You could use Ryan Reynolds' Mint Mobile that's supposed to be cheap.

Tis the season.
I will need to catch Christmas Carol.
"Mankind was my business"

As a matter of fact, yes, I do. The sweatpants I'm currently wearing cost $4 .......the hoodie was a gift. And my shoes are rarely more than $20-25

The point is still a simple one, merh.......we have a lot of luxury in our modern days. We live better than generations did in the past.......and you won't even acknowledge that? THAT's why the youngsters today feel so angry and disappointed.........they don't even know how good they have it. Do YOU have it better than your grandparents did, or not?

You drove a Neon..........you had to know you were gonna break down regularly.    You could also learn to work on your own Dodge product...... I'm sure there's plenty of resource material out there.

I don't NEED a phone, to text or be in contact with others. Again, another luxury item that MOST Americans have.......and they expect it and refuse to appreciate it.

Bah, H......... y'know