"He was a good boy"

[abbey1227]

Apr 16, 2021 16:24:35 GMT Prometheus said:

Cops are supposed to be trained in how to deal with their own "fear and adrenaline."

It's supposed to be "freeze" and pause (not for hours but long enough to actually give a person time to stop; "drop the weapon" and pause; then make the decision, not "Freeze!" and pull the trigger at the same time.

I understand that these pauses are less than a second, but if a cop can't realize that hands (palm forward - even if the gun hasn't fully dropped yet) is a sign of submission and not a "threat" then they probably shouldn't be on the force.

They can do traffic duty.

Wow. I just saw the video........ I'm not gonna blame the cop here, sorry. That kid was running with the gun in his hand, and only a moment before the shooting, he flipped it behind the fence........in that moment, the gun could have remained in his hand and been fired. His little attempt to hide the weapon and surrender all in one swift move cost him his life.

interesting collection of headlines just now on Yahoo, though

U.S.
National Review
Chicago Police Union Head Says Shooting of 13-Year-Old ‘100 Percent Justified’

HuffPost
Hundreds Protest Police Killing Of 13-Year-Old Adam Toledo In Chicago

Yahoo TV
Don Lemon defends officer in Adam Toledo shooting: 'Not all police shootings are the same'

[Prometheus]

Apr 17, 2021 1:24:27 GMT abbey1227 said:

Apr 16, 2021 16:24:35 GMT Prometheus said:

Cops are supposed to be trained in how to deal with their own "fear and adrenaline."

It's supposed to be "freeze" and pause (not for hours but long enough to actually give a person time to stop; "drop the weapon" and pause; then make the decision, not "Freeze!" and pull the trigger at the same time.

I understand that these pauses are less than a second, but if a cop can't realize that hands (palm forward - even if the gun hasn't fully dropped yet) is a sign of submission and not a "threat" then they probably shouldn't be on the force.

They can do traffic duty.

Wow. I just saw the video........ I'm not gonna blame the cop here, sorry. That kid was running with the gun in his hand, and only a moment before the shooting, he flipped it behind the fence........in that moment, the gun could have remained in his hand and been fired. His little attempt to hide the weapon and surrender all in one swift move cost him his life.

interesting collection of headlines just now on Yahoo, though

U.S.
National Review
Chicago Police Union Head Says Shooting of 13-Year-Old ‘100 Percent Justified’

HuffPost
Hundreds Protest Police Killing Of 13-Year-Old Adam Toledo In Chicago

Yahoo TV
Don Lemon defends officer in Adam Toledo shooting: 'Not all police shootings are the same'

And his hands were already up when the officer fired. He stopped. He dropped the weapon (who cares about intent?). He put up his hands.

I think the cop was a bit too quick to shoot. I'm sure others will disagree.

That is their right.

[abbey1227]

Apr 17, 2021 3:50:53 GMT Prometheus said:

Apr 17, 2021 1:24:27 GMT abbey1227 said:

And his hands were already up when the officer fired. He stopped. He dropped the weapon (who cares about intent?). He put up his hands.

I think the cop was a bit too quick to shoot. I'm sure others will disagree.

That is their right.

It's probably not even 100% the kid's fault......... he thought he'd be cute by running.....and then realizing he wasn't getting too far........that subtle flip of the weapon behind the fence? As if it wouldn't have been found and be tied to him after the fact?

Clearly, he'd have been better off in that moment simply stopping, raising both hands without turning around........and visibly tossing the gun away so to not be seen as a continued threat.

He chose poorly. I'm not going to second guess split second decisions like that when the police are already facing record numbers of shootings in those areas.

Now if he had dropped the gun while running...........so it could be seen and heard dropping........then later stopping, raising both empty hands......and THEN got shot by the cop? THEN I'd be much more willing to ask "WTF was that cop thinking?!"

[Prometheus]

Apr 17, 2021 12:57:48 GMT abbey1227 said:

Apr 17, 2021 3:50:53 GMT Prometheus said:

And his hands were already up when the officer fired. He stopped. He dropped the weapon (who cares about intent?). He put up his hands.

I think the cop was a bit too quick to shoot. I'm sure others will disagree.

That is their right.

It's probably not even 100% the kid's fault......... he thought he'd be cute by running.....and then realizing he wasn't getting too far........that subtle flip of the weapon behind the fence? As if it wouldn't have been found and be tied to him after the fact?

Clearly, he'd have been better off in that moment simply stopping, raising both hands without turning around........and visibly tossing the gun away so to not be seen as a continued threat.

He chose poorly. I'm not going to second guess split second decisions like that when the police are already facing record numbers of shootings in those areas.

Now if he had dropped the gun while running...........so it could be seen and heard dropping........then later stopping, raising both empty hands......and THEN got shot by the cop? THEN I'd be much more willing to ask "WTF was that cop thinking?!"

I get what you're saying. I truly do. But I also see this as an example of how poorly-trained our police officers are.

Do you think Toledo would have been shot if he were being pursued by the FBI, DEA, or Secret Service, all of whom receive extensive training?

Was Hinckley blown away on the spot when he actually fired a gun at a sitting president and still had the weapon in his hands?

I don't want to debate every single scenario. I just want to point out that better training offers better results and I'd prefer that the men and women policing our streets - the ones with their noses right down there in the dirt - aren't a bunch of clodhoppers whose training consists of being taught how to hit a target but little or no training on how to asses the correct target.

Hopefully, you can see where I'm coming from.