ROE V WADE

[merh]

Aug 13, 2022 11:50:25 GMT abbey1227 said:

Aug 12, 2022 19:16:43 GMT merh said:

Not as triangular as the Balrog, though 

[merh]

Louisiana Woman Is Forced Carry Headless Fetus to Term or Travel to Florida for Legal Abortion

“It’s hard knowing that I’m carrying it to bury it,” Nancy Davis, already a mother of one child, said.


Pictured: The conservative Supreme Court justices as seen by A.I.

BATON ROUGE, La. (WAFB) - A Baton Rouge mother has a week to make an unthinkable decision - carry her baby to term even though she says doctors tell her it will not survive or find another state where she can have an abortion.

“It’s hard knowing that ... you know I’m carrying it to bury it...you know what I’m saying,” asked Nancy Davis who is 13 weeks pregnant with her second child.

Davis got her first ultrasound at Woman’s Hospital when she was 10 weeks pregnant. She and her boyfriend were excited to welcome their new baby, but soon learned the pregnancy would not go the way they planned.

“It was an abnormal ultrasound, and they noticed the top of the baby’s head was missing and the skull was missing, the top of the skull was missing,” Davis explained.

Davis says her baby was diagnosed with acrania. A rare and fatal condition, where the baby’s skull fails to form in the womb. According to health experts, babies with this condition only survive minutes to hours after birth. But because Davis’s life was not in danger and the baby’s condition does not fall under Louisiana Department of Health’s list of qualifying conditions, she was denied an abortion. Unsure about what to do, Davis is faced with a tough decision. Either carry the baby to term, or cross state lines to get an abortion.

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She says she needs to make a decision quick since other states allowing abortion cut-off eligibility at 15 weeks. Davis says her family is sticking close and will support whatever decision she makes. She’s also willing to testify before the legislature to shine more light on this issue. Because of patient privacy laws - a spokeswoman for Women’s Hospital said they could not comment.

www.wafb.com/2022/08/15/mother-claims-she-was-denied-an-abortion-despite-babys-condition/

[merh]

[abbey1227]

Aug 17, 2022 18:58:31 GMT merh said:

Louisiana Woman Is Forced Carry Headless Fetus to Term or Travel to Florida for Legal Abortion

“It’s hard knowing that I’m carrying it to bury it,” Nancy Davis, already a mother of one child, said.


Pictured: The conservative Supreme Court justices as seen by A.I.

BATON ROUGE, La. (WAFB) - A Baton Rouge mother has a week to make an unthinkable decision - carry her baby to term even though she says doctors tell her it will not survive or find another state where she can have an abortion.

“It’s hard knowing that ... you know I’m carrying it to bury it...you know what I’m saying,” asked Nancy Davis who is 13 weeks pregnant with her second child.

Davis got her first ultrasound at Woman’s Hospital when she was 10 weeks pregnant. She and her boyfriend were excited to welcome their new baby, but soon learned the pregnancy would not go the way they planned.

“It was an abnormal ultrasound, and they noticed the top of the baby’s head was missing and the skull was missing, the top of the skull was missing,” Davis explained.

Davis says her baby was diagnosed with acrania. A rare and fatal condition, where the baby’s skull fails to form in the womb. According to health experts, babies with this condition only survive minutes to hours after birth. But because Davis’s life was not in danger and the baby’s condition does not fall under Louisiana Department of Health’s list of qualifying conditions, she was denied an abortion. Unsure about what to do, Davis is faced with a tough decision. Either carry the baby to term, or cross state lines to get an abortion.

...

She says she needs to make a decision quick since other states allowing abortion cut-off eligibility at 15 weeks. Davis says her family is sticking close and will support whatever decision she makes. She’s also willing to testify before the legislature to shine more light on this issue. Because of patient privacy laws - a spokeswoman for Women’s Hospital said they could not comment.

www.wafb.com/2022/08/15/mother-claims-she-was-denied-an-abortion-despite-babys-condition/

ummm, why does it take more than 60 seconds to make this decision? Much less a whole week?

[abbey1227]

Aug 17, 2022 22:22:49 GMT merh said:

So Ann wants to just ignore the Biological facts?

Nobody is limiting whatever else a woman wants to do. But as a women, they got the vagina, the womb and the eggs.   Mother Nature. Deal with it.

[merh]

[abbey1227]

Aug 18, 2022 21:09:50 GMT merh said:

you gotta figure it's God's will, too   If He didn't want that person possessed, they wouldn't be.

[merh]

So valid life form that can't be aborted?
Mice now, but in a couple decades...

Scientists Grow “Synthetic” Embryo With Brain and Beating Heart – Without Eggs or Sperm

By UNIVERSITY OF CAMBRIDGE AUGUST 27, 2022

Scientists from the University of Cambridge have created model embryos from mouse stem cells that form a brain, a beating heart, and the foundations of all the other organs of the body. It represents a new avenue for recreating the first stages of life.

The team of researchers, led by Professor Magdalena Zernicka-Goetz, developed the embryo model without eggs or sperm. Instead, they used stem cells – the body’s master cells, which can develop into almost any cell type in the body.

“It’s just unbelievable that we’ve got this far. This has been the dream of our community for years, and major focus of our work for a decade and finally we’ve done it.” — Magdalena Zernicka-Goetz

By guiding the three types of stem cells found in early mammalian development to the point where they start interacting, the researchers mimicked natural processes in the lab. The scientists were able to get the stem cells to ‘talk’ to each other by inducing the expression of a particular set of genes and establishing a unique environment for their interactions.

The stem cells self-organized into structures that progressed through the successive developmental stages until they had beating hearts and the foundations of the brain They also had the yolk sac where the embryo develops and gets nutrients from in its first weeks. Unlike other synthetic embryos, the Cambridge-developed models reached the point where the entire brain, including the anterior portion, began to develop. This is a further point in development than has been achieved in any other stem cell-derived model.

According to the team, their results could help researchers understand why some embryos fail while others go on to develop into a healthy pregnancy. In addition, the results could be used to guide the repair and development of synthetic human organs for transplantation. The study, which is the result of more than a decade of research that progressively led to more and more complex embryo-like structures, was reported on August 25, 2022, in the journal Nature.

“Our mouse embryo model not only develops a brain, but also a beating heart, all the components that go on to make up the body,” said Zernicka-Goetz, Professor in Mammalian Development and Stem Cell Biology in Cambridge’s Department of Physiology, Development and Neuroscience. “It’s just unbelievable that we’ve got this far. This has been the dream of our community for years, and major focus of our work for a decade and finally we’ve done it.”

A “dialog” between the tissues that will form the embryo and the tissues that will connect the embryo to the mother is necessary for the healthy development of a human embryo. Three different stem cell types begin to form in the first week following fertilization; one of these will eventually develop into the bodily tissues, while the other two support the embryo’s development. One of these extraembryonic stem cell types will become the placenta, which connects the fetus to the mother and provides oxygen and nutrients. The second is the yolk sac, where the embryo grows and where it gets its nutrients from in early development.

Many pregnancies fail at the point when the three types of stem cells begin to send mechanical and chemical signals to each other, which instruct the embryo on how to develop properly.

“So many pregnancies fail around this time, before most women realize they are pregnant,” said Zernicka-Goetz, who is also Professor of Biology and Biological Engineering at Caltech. “This period is the foundation for everything else that follows in pregnancy. If it goes wrong, the pregnancy will fail.”

Professor Zernicka-Goetz’s group in Cambridge has been studying these earliest stages of pregnancy over the past decade, in order to understand why some pregnancies fail and some succeed.

“The stem cell embryo model is important because it gives us accessibility to the developing structure at a stage that is normally hidden from us due to the implantation of the tiny embryo into the mother’s womb,” said Zernicka-Goetz. “This accessibility allows us to manipulate genes to understand their developmental roles in a model experimental system.”

To guide the development of their synthetic embryo, the scientists put together cultured stem cells representing each of the three types of tissue in the right proportions and environment to promote their growth and communication with each other, eventually self-assembling into an embryo.

The research team discovered that the extraembryonic cells signal to embryonic cells by chemical signals but also mechanistically, or through touch, guiding the embryo’s development.

“This period of human life is so mysterious, so to be able to see how it happens in a dish – to have access to these individual stem cells, to understand why so many pregnancies fail and how we might be able to prevent that from happening – is quite special,” said Zernicka-Goetz. “We looked at the dialogue that has to happen between the different types of stem cell at that time – we’ve shown how it occurs and how it can go wrong.”

A major advance in the study is the ability to generate the entire brain, in particular the anterior part, which has been a major goal in the development of synthetic embryos. This works in Zernicka-Goetz’s system because this part of the brain requires signals from one of the extraembryonic tissues to be able to develop. The team thought that this might be taking place from their 2018 and 2021 studies, which used the same component cells to develop into embryos at a slightly earlier stage. Now, by pushing development just one day further, they can definitively say that their model is the very first to signal development of the anterior, and in fact the whole, brain.

“This opens new possibilities to study the mechanisms of neurodevelopment in an experimental model,” said Zernicka-Goetz. “In fact, we demonstrate the proof of this principle in the paper by knocking out a gene already known to be essential for formation of the neural tube, precursor of the nervous system, and for brain and eye development. In the absence of this gene, the synthetic embryos show exactly the known defects in brain development as in an animal carrying this mutation. This means we can begin to apply this kind of approach to the many genes with unknown function in brain development.”

While the current research was carried out in mouse models, the researchers are developing similar human models with the potential to be directed towards the generation of specific organ types to understand mechanisms behind crucial processes that would be otherwise impossible to study in real embryos. At present, UK law permits human embryos to be studied in the laboratory only up to the 14th day of development.

If the methods developed by Zernicka-Goetz’s team are shown to be successful with human stem cells in the future, they could also be used to guide development of synthetic organs for patients awaiting transplants.

“There are so many people around the world who wait for years for organ transplants,” said Zernicka-Goetz. “What makes our work so exciting is that the knowledge coming out of it could be used to grow correct synthetic human organs to save lives that are currently lost. It should also be possible to affect and heal adult organs by using the knowledge we have on how they are made.

“This is an incredible step forward and took 10 years of hard work of many of my team members – I never thought we’d get to this place. You never think your dreams will come true, but they have.”

Professor Magdalena Zernicka-Goetz has made an incredible scientific breakthrough.

The creation of synthetic mouse embryos in a test tube that develop brains and beating hearts, starting only with embryonic stem cells, is the culmination of a decade’s work.

Magda explains:

I’m fascinated by the mystery of how embryos work. Every embryo follows a similar journey: one cell becomes many, then they communicate with each other and arrange themselves to form a structure that will provide a blueprint for all adult body parts. But how do embryo cells decide their fate, how do they know where to go and what to do? How do they form the right parts in the right place at the right time?

Building the first ‘synthetic embryo’ models was a process we achieved step by step. Setting out, we knew that embryonic stem cells could be cultured indefinitely in the lab, and that when they’re injected into an embryo they can potentially contribute to any tissue in the adult organism. The challenge was to guide them to develop into a complete embryo. In addition to the embryonic stem cells we used two kinds of extraembryonic tissue: one of which forms the placenta and the other a sac in which the embryo develops. These tissues are very important, as they send signals to the embryo to develop all its parts at the right time and in the right place.

Combining stem cells representing each of these three types of tissue is easier said than done. We had to find an environment where all three distinct cell types could grow and communicate with each other. And we had to find the right proportions of each cell type, and add them in the right sequence. Once we established these basic principles, the stem cells did the rest: they self-organized to progress through successive developmental stages until they had beating hearts and the foundations for a brain.

The key to our achievement was thinking outside the conventional box. The majority of embryo model studies focus on embryonic stem cells, but don’t consider the significant role of extraembryonic cells. We mixed the right proportions of both embryonic and extraembryonic stem cells. Extraembryonic cells signal to embryonic cells through different means, by chemical signals but also mechanistically ‘by touch’. Our studies are helping to understand these signaling events.

We are developing an analogous model of the human embryo, to understand the mechanisms behind crucial processes that would be otherwise impossible to study. This is important because the great majority of human pregnancies fail at this developmental stage, due to causes that we don’t understand. It will also allow us to identify factors permitting development of healthy human tissues as they form different organs.

Creating the new ‘synthetic embryo’ has taught us a lot about the mechanisms by which the embryo builds itself. We learned how the extraembryonic tissues direct the embryonic stem cells along the right pathways to signal formation of the correct structures; how cells move between compartments as the multi-layered body plan arises; and how this correctly sets the scene for neurulation — the process where tissue folds to form the neural tube and, in turn, the brain and spinal cord.

This model gives us access to the developing structure at a stage that’s normally hidden from us, when the tiny embryo implants into the mother’s womb. Our model does not have to implant to develop, so it remains completely visible to us, allowing us to see the embryo’s progression through that developmental stage. This accessibility allows us to manipulate genes to understand their developmental roles in a model experimental system.

It’s certainly true that carrying out this type of work requires passion and resilience. I grew up in Poland under a Communist regime, which meant that traveling wasn’t allowed and thinking differently was not encouraged. There was immense social pressure to conform, and a lot of us rebelled against that. A silver lining of this was a desire to think independently and to persevere despite discouragement. That shaped me as a scientist too.

When I started my research group in Cambridge, I established ways to study the ‘developmental black box’ — the development of the embryo at the time of implantation. My mentors had discouraged me from pursuing it during my PhD because they were concerned it would be difficult to shine light inside this ‘box.’ But I was so taken by the question of how the embryo self-organizes that I didn’t give up and, inch by inch, we have worked our way forward.

My advice to all young scientists is to follow your heart. Study a topic that inspires you, and choose an advisor who can be supportive of your style of work. In my opinion, it’s important to guide young scientists in the lab, but also to give them space to explore their individuality. My experience is that the challenges for female scientists increase as they progress through their careers. At later stages, it’s critical to have mentors who understand not only science but also how to balance it with everyday life, including starting a family.

During my own pregnancy, I was shocked when an early screening showed abnormalities. The sampling was of extraembryonic cells so I waited for the amniocentesis, which samples fetal cells that have fallen into the amniotic fluid. These were normal, which put my mind at ease. The experience led me to study mosaic aneuploidy — a condition in which the embryo has cells with the wrong number of chromosomes alongside chromosomally normal cells. Incredibly, we found that these abnormal cells can be eliminated, and the normal, healthy cells compensate for their absence. For some reason, this mechanism doesn’t operate in the tissues that build the placenta, and we’re still trying to understand why and how.

Science is demanding, it’s hard work and it takes away most of your waking hours. I switch off by watching films — I watch a lot of foreign films in Polish, French, and Danish, and documentaries and art films. But when I want to lose myself in another narrative, I watch dramas. I’m also a recent convert to gardening, where I can encourage the successful development of other life forms!

It is an incredible feeling and a privilege to have this direct insight into the origins of a new life. It’s like discovering a new planet that we didn’t know existed.

For more on this research, see Scientists Grow “Synthetic” Mouse Embryo With Brain and Beating Heart.

Reference: “Synthetic embryos complete gastrulation to neurulation and organogenesis” by Gianluca Amadei, Charlotte E. Handford, Chengxiang Qiu, Joachim De Jonghe, Hannah Greenfeld, Martin Tran, Beth K. Martin, Dong-Yuan Chen, Alejandro Aguilera-Castrejon, Jacob H. Hanna, Michael Elowitz, Florian Hollfelder, Jay Shendure, David M. Glover and Magdalena Zernicka-Goetz, 25 August 2022, Nature.
DOI: 10.1038/s41586-022-05246-3

Life?
Or one of those could/should things?

[abbey1227]

Aug 27, 2022 21:23:41 GMT merh said:

So valid life form that can't be aborted?
Mice now, but in a couple decades...

Scientists Grow “Synthetic” Embryo With Brain and Beating Heart – Without Eggs or Sperm

By UNIVERSITY OF CAMBRIDGE AUGUST 27, 2022

Life?
Or one of those could/should things?

Seems like they're picking up after the most important step has already happened.

But I did predict they'll get to the point where a female isn't needed to carry to birth............and then we'll see some interesting lawsuits, imo

[merh]

Aug 28, 2022 2:20:34 GMT abbey1227 said:

Aug 27, 2022 21:23:41 GMT merh said:

So valid life form that can't be aborted?
Mice now, but in a couple decades...



Life?
Or one of those could/should things?

Seems like they're picking up after the most important step has already happened.

But I did predict they'll get to the point where a female isn't needed to carry to birth............and then we'll see some interesting lawsuits, imo

Dude.
Males aren't required, either.

This is closer to cloning. It's building off the stem cells.

Machines can replace us.

[abbey1227]

Aug 28, 2022 2:24:30 GMT merh said:

Dude.
Males aren't required, either.

This is closer to cloning. It's building off the stem cells.

Machines can replace us.

That's sorta been our point all along.........biologically speaking. We're NOT needed and we have the ability to Johnny Appleseed our way thru life.

I realize that.......but I'm not as impressed as I'd be if they'd started with clay ............or just amino acids and other chemicals. They started with stem cells which have already been given that unexplainable 'spark of life' and can literally become anything within that organism's body. So whoop-die-do!

Machines can replace us in many ways........so can cockroaches and other species.

[Prometheus]

[abbey1227]

Sept 3, 2022 9:57:11 GMT Prometheus said:

[merh]

Sept 3, 2022 13:03:59 GMT abbey1227 said:

Sept 3, 2022 9:57:11 GMT Prometheus said:

Protect yourself.
Don't want to make a baby, use protection.
Vasectomy is the best protection for a guy to not be a father

[abbey1227]

Sept 3, 2022 14:16:06 GMT merh said:

Sept 3, 2022 13:03:59 GMT abbey1227 said:

Protect yourself.
Don't want to make a baby, use protection.
Vasectomy is the best protection for a guy to not be a father

Sound advice..........but totally skips the 'fairness' point Dave was making

[merh]

Sept 3, 2022 14:19:28 GMT abbey1227 said:

Sept 3, 2022 14:16:06 GMT merh said:

Protect yourself.
Don't want to make a baby, use protection.
Vasectomy is the best protection for a guy to not be a father

Sound advice..........but totally skips the 'fairness' point Dave was making

Life isn't fair.
Sorry.

So you want the "fun" of unprotected sex, but the product doesn't deserve to know who it's father is?

How fair is that?

[abbey1227]

Sept 3, 2022 14:24:24 GMT merh said:

Life isn't fair.
Sorry.

So you want the "fun" of unprotected sex, but the product doesn't deserve to know who it's father is?

How fair is that?

I'm gonna start using that line on you whenever wealth gaps and female wages come up.  

Nobody said you can't inform the product of who the specific sperm donor was. What's stopping you?

[merh]

Sept 3, 2022 14:32:51 GMT abbey1227 said:

Sept 3, 2022 14:24:24 GMT merh said:

Life isn't fair.
Sorry.

So you want the "fun" of unprotected sex, but the product doesn't deserve to know who it's father is?

How fair is that?

I'm gonna start using that line on you whenever wealth gaps and female wages come up.  

Nobody said you can't inform the product of who the specific sperm donor was. What's stopping you?

Go ahead.
I will just point out I can still promote aspirational change for the better.

Isn't that what people do?
Keep trying to build that better mousetrap?

That is cold.
So a child has no right to get to know both parents

My father's parents married in time to make hom legal, but then divorced & grandma married another man.

Fate had it my mom's brother married my father's half sister from the marriage after his father divorced grandmother. 

Wrap your head around that act of God.
My cousins' father was mom's brother
Their mom my dad's half-sister.

Whenever their grandfather visited from Utah, we had to stay away because his new wife was jealous as fuck. Refused to acknowledge dad or us as son & grandkids. 

We played with them.most every day other than when that grandfather visited.

When that man died, dad, my sister & I went to the funeral. The 2nd wife was all "can you forgive me? I should have let him get to know you." 

I said yes because I didn't know the man. 
He was a body in a box thanks to that woman.

Stupid, wasn't it?

Kids often want to know both parents, dude.

[abbey1227]

Sept 3, 2022 15:17:06 GMT merh said:

Go ahead.
I will just point out I can still promote aspirational change for the better.
Isn't that what people do?
Keep trying to build that better mousetrap?

That is cold.
So a child has no right to get to know both parents
My father's parents married in time to make him legal, but then divorced & grandma married another man.
Fate had it my mom's brother married my father's half sister from the marriage after his father divorced grandmother.
Wrap your head around that act of God.
My cousins' father was mom's brother
Their mom my dad's half-sister.
Whenever their grandfather visited from Utah, we had to stay away because his new wife was jealous as fuck. Refused to acknowledge dad or us as son & grandkids.
We played with them.most every day other than when that grandfather visited.
When that man died, dad, my sister & I went to the funeral. The 2nd wife was all "can you forgive me? I should have let him get to know you."
I said yes because I didn't know the man. 
He was a body in a box thanks to that woman.
Stupid, wasn't it?
Kids often want to know both parents, dude.

Change for the better? Lemme know when things get better.

I see people pretty much trying to self-destruct themselves........and take others down with them.

I'm not the one having children. If one parent abandons the child, they might be curious.......but to force that parent on that child? THAT could cause even more damage than the initial abandonment.

Even these days, I find it odd and likely damaging when people get or stay married just to put on an illusion for the kids they created.

Back then, with fewer cars.........people tended to be a lot more related to one another. 

Ain't family wonderful.......even the adults refuse to act like adults.

Yep, pretty stupid. But that's people.........THEN........and NOW

You think I don't know that? My Dad was dead before I was 2. And guess how much fun being a redheaded stepchild can be? 

But you're being awfully sensitive about a Chappelle joke when the main point he was making is IF you ladies can kill it........then men should be able to abandon it. See the funny part there? Being DEAD is usually thought of as being worse off than just lonely or abandoned. Now you and I might make the argument dead is more humane. Some might not find us so funny

[abbey1227]

Sept 3, 2022 14:16:06 GMT merh said:

Protect yourself.
Don't want to make a baby, use protection.
Vasectomy is the best protection for a guy to not be a father

You'll probably get a chuckle out of this story..........

www.animatedtimes.com/former-adult-star-lana-rhoades-confirms-her-kids-father-is-an-nba-star-fans-split-between-kevin-durant-and-blake-griffin/?fbclid=IwAR0vjJFG9LAp9dW7zNRtuZOArw8M9XHf4NQDpFpKLkBRgJzHyJ7aJacJJpI

Rhoades has already confirmed via TikTok that the baby’s father is a basketball player. She was seen dissing the father on social media:

“I swear to God I thought NBA players were nice guys. Next thing you know, I said, ‘I’m pregnant’ … And he told me to go f-k myself.”

Can’t blame her for maligning the man who did this. It can only be presumed what his reasons for leaving the child’s care to Rhoades could have been. If it has anything to do with her history, then that man needs to take a good look in the mirror.