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[abbey1227]

..........would surely be the end of democracy.   

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Hillary Clinton predicts Trump will run for president in 2024, says his win 'could be the end of our democracy'

"If he or someone of his ilk were once again to be elected president ... you will not recognize our country," Clinton said of a Trump win in 2024.

[Prometheus]

Dec 13, 2021 4:36:01 GMT abbey1227 said:

..........would surely be the end of democracy.   

Politics
Business Insider
Hillary Clinton predicts Trump will run for president in 2024, says his win 'could be the end of our democracy'

"If he or someone of his ilk were once again to be elected president ... you will not recognize our country," Clinton said of a Trump win in 2024.

Well... Xi Jinping says that China is a "democracy" so....

[abbey1227]

Dec 13, 2021 5:19:26 GMT Prometheus said:

Dec 13, 2021 4:36:01 GMT abbey1227 said:

..........would surely be the end of democracy.   

Politics
Business Insider
Hillary Clinton predicts Trump will run for president in 2024, says his win 'could be the end of our democracy'

"If he or someone of his ilk were once again to be elected president ... you will not recognize our country," Clinton said of a Trump win in 2024.

Well... Xi Jinping says that China is a "democracy" so....

Has he named his successor yet? Omicron Jinping, by chance?

Another meme/quote?  "A republic.......if you can keep it."

[merh]

Dec 13, 2021 5:34:35 GMT abbey1227 said:

Dec 13, 2021 5:19:26 GMT Prometheus said:

Well... Xi Jinping says that China is a "democracy" so....

Has he named his successor yet? Omicron Jinping, by chance?

Another meme/quote?  "A republic.......if you can keep it."

Like Russia?
Putin will be their President until 2036?

[abbey1227]

Dec 13, 2021 20:13:53 GMT merh said:

Dec 13, 2021 5:34:35 GMT abbey1227 said:

Has he named his successor yet? Omicron Jinping, by chance?

Another meme/quote?  "A republic.......if you can keep it."

Like Russia?
Putin will be their President until 2036?

The Russian dude I chat with was just telling me this is Putin's last run. How long a term do their presidents get? just checked, supposedly 2024. So we'll see, huh?

also this...........

During his first tenure as president, the Russian economy grew for eight straight years, with GDP measured by purchasing power increasing by 72%, real incomes increased by a factor of 2.5, real wages more than tripled; unemployment and poverty more than halved and the Russians' self-assessed life satisfaction rose significantly. The growth was a result of a fivefold increase in the price of oil and gas, which constitute the majority of Russian exports, recovery from the post-Communist depression and financial crises, a rise in foreign investment, and prudent economic and fiscal policies.

[Prometheus]

Dec 13, 2021 5:34:35 GMT abbey1227 said:

Dec 13, 2021 5:19:26 GMT Prometheus said:

Well... Xi Jinping says that China is a "democracy" so....

Has he named his successor yet? Omicron Jinping, by chance?

Another meme/quote?  "A republic.......if you can keep it."

1. "Xi" is pronounced "shee" but the Greek letter is pronounced "kigh" (rhymes with "high"). I'm sure that the letter was skipped for two reasons:

First: pronunciation as noted

Second: In an effort to avoid racism... which has obviously backfired

2. Do you not read the news? Even your favorite alt-right sources are all over it.

[abbey1227]

Dec 14, 2021 3:09:57 GMT Prometheus said:

Dec 13, 2021 5:34:35 GMT abbey1227 said:

Has he named his successor yet? Omicron Jinping, by chance?

Another meme/quote?  "A republic.......if you can keep it."

1. "Xi" is pronounced "shee" but the Greek letter is pronounced "kigh" (rhymes with "high"). I'm sure that the letter was skipped for two reasons:

First: pronunciation as noted

Second: In an effort to avoid racism... which has obviously backfired

2. Do you not read the news? Even your favorite alt-right sources are all over it.

1. Weird how often the woke attempts fail

2. Yahoo is alt-right?  

[Prometheus]

Dec 14, 2021 5:26:13 GMT abbey1227 said:

Dec 14, 2021 3:09:57 GMT Prometheus said:

1. "Xi" is pronounced "shee" but the Greek letter is pronounced "kigh" (rhymes with "high"). I'm sure that the letter was skipped for two reasons:

First: pronunciation as noted

Second: In an effort to avoid racism... which has obviously backfired

2. Do you not read the news? Even your favorite alt-right sources are all over it.

1. Weird how often the woke attempts fail

2. Yahoo is alt-right?  

1. It's not about being "woke." It's about avoiding racists like you who would be quick to jump on a "Xi Variant" as "proof the Kung Flu was an attempt to overthrow the Trump administration" or whatever your QAnon god would be likely to spout.

2. You understand that Yahoo News is just an aggregator, right? Anyway... I was talking about your usual sources like National Review et al.

But, as I was saying, if Xi can redefine "democracy," I'm pretty sure your Dear Leader, Der Drumpfuhrer, could give it a go as well.

[abbey1227]

Dec 14, 2021 5:49:55 GMT Prometheus said:

<abbr title="Dec 13, 2021 23:49:55 GMT -6" data-timestamp="1639460995000" class="o-timestamp time">Dec 13, 2021 23:49:55 GMT -6</abbr> Prometheus said: 

1. It's not about being "woke." It's about avoiding racists like you who would be quick to jump on a "Xi Variant" as "proof the Kung Flu was an attempt to overthrow the Trump administration" or whatever your QAnon god would be likely to spout.

2. You understand that Yahoo News is just an aggregator, right? Anyway... I was talking about your usual sources like National Review et al.

But, as I was saying, if Xi can redefine "democracy," I'm pretty sure your Dear Leader, Der Drumpfuhrer, could give it a go as well.

1. Why couldn't it simply be just as funny and racist/anti-racist as avoiding Xi because you don't wanna offend the Chinese guy? Who, as an actual dictator, should be the last person anyone gives a F about offending.

2. While you do go off on the occasional rant that I see a lot of truth and merit in.........you're much more happily accepting of those redefinitions from the left. 

[Prometheus]

Dec 14, 2021 5:57:55 GMT abbey1227 said:

Dec 14, 2021 5:49:55 GMT Prometheus said:

<abbr title="Dec 13, 2021 23:49:55 GMT -6" data-timestamp="1639460995000" class="o-timestamp time">Dec 13, 2021 23:49:55 GMT -6</abbr> Prometheus said: 

1. It's not about being "woke." It's about avoiding racists like you who would be quick to jump on a "Xi Variant" as "proof the Kung Flu was an attempt to overthrow the Trump administration" or whatever your QAnon god would be likely to spout.

2. You understand that Yahoo News is just an aggregator, right? Anyway... I was talking about your usual sources like National Review et al.

But, as I was saying, if Xi can redefine "democracy," I'm pretty sure your Dear Leader, Der Drumpfuhrer, could give it a go as well.

1. Why couldn't it simply be just as funny and racist/anti-racist as avoiding Xi because you don't wanna offend the Chinese guy? Who, as an actual dictator, should be the last person anyone gives a F about offending.

2. While you do go off on the occasional rant that I see a lot of truth and merit in.........you're much more happily accepting of those redefinitions from the left. 

1. Except that Chinese dictator has our balls in a vice, whether we like it or not.

2. You say "redefinition." I say "clarification." When one is in conflict with the other, I say so.

[merh]

Dec 13, 2021 23:56:21 GMT abbey1227 said:

Dec 13, 2021 20:13:53 GMT merh said:

Like Russia?
Putin will be their President until 2036?

The Russian dude I chat with was just telling me this is Putin's last run. How long a term do their presidents get? just checked, supposedly 2024. So we'll see, huh?

also this...........

During his first tenure as president, the Russian economy grew for eight straight years, with GDP measured by purchasing power increasing by 72%, real incomes increased by a factor of 2.5, real wages more than tripled; unemployment and poverty more than halved and the Russians' self-assessed life satisfaction rose significantly. The growth was a result of a fivefold increase in the price of oil and gas, which constitute the majority of Russian exports, recovery from the post-Communist depression and financial crises, a rise in foreign investment, and prudent economic and fiscal policies.

www.2021/apr/05/vladimir-putin-passes-law-that-may-keep-him-in-office-until-2036

Vladimir Putin has signed a law that will allow him to run for the presidency twice more in his lifetime, potentially keeping him in office until 2036.

The Russian president signed the legislation on Monday, ending a year-long process to “reset” his presidential terms by rewriting the constitution through a referendum-like process that his critics have called a crude power grab.

Putin has been Russia’s most powerful politician since he assumed the presidency in 2000, after the resignation of his predecessor, Boris Yeltsin.

If he remains in power until 2036, his tenure will surpass even that of Joseph Stalin, who ruled the Soviet Union for 29 years, making Putin the longest-serving Moscow leader since the Russian empire.

Officially, the new law limits Russian citizens to two presidential terms in their lifetime, outlawing the kind of shuffling between the presidency and the role of prime minister that Putin employed earlier in his career.

But the law specifically does not count terms served until it entered into force, meaning that Putin’s past four terms (including the current term) do not count and he can still serve two more. Russians say that he has “zeroed out” his terms.

Analysts have said the law may not indicate that Putin wants to remain president, but simply wants to avoid being a lame duck and provoking a power struggle during his last term in office.

However, Putin has made a habit of remaining in power at every moment he could have bowed out and anointed a successor. Some believe he has not found a way to transfer power and ensure that he and his family would remain safe in his retirement. The new law also gives him and former president Dmitry Medvedev lifetime immunity from prosecution.

After serving his first two terms in office, Putin assumed the post of prime minister in 2008 due to term limits but nonetheless remained the country’s de facto leader. He returned to the presidency in 2012, provoking protests among his critics on the left and right that were put down harshly.

Presidential terms have also been lengthened to six years. Putin’s current term will expire in 2024.

Why does he need to not be prosecuted?
Not suspicious at all...

[abbey1227]

Dec 14, 2021 6:09:51 GMT Prometheus said:

Dec 14, 2021 5:57:55 GMT abbey1227 said:

1. Except that Chinese dictator has our balls in a vice, whether we like it or not.

2. You say "redefinition." I say "clarification." When one is in conflict with the other, I say so.

We're a country run by sadists then............cuz those balls were willingly put into that vice.......and now remain there, too

[merh]

Dec 14, 2021 5:49:55 GMT Prometheus said:

Dec 14, 2021 5:26:13 GMT abbey1227 said:

1. Weird how often the woke attempts fail

2. Yahoo is alt-right?  

1. It's not about being "woke." It's about avoiding racists like you who would be quick to jump on a "Xi Variant" as "proof the Kung Flu was an attempt to overthrow the Trump administration" or whatever your QAnon god would be likely to spout.

2. You understand that Yahoo News is just an aggregator, right? Anyway... I was talking about your usual sources like National Review et al.

But, as I was saying, if Xi can redefine "democracy," I'm pretty sure your Dear Leader, Der Drumpfuhrer, could give it a go as well.

They've been groomed.
The GOP made Putin their hero when Obama was president, pointing out how manly he was in all those staged photos compared to the Chai tea latte drinking, mom jeans & tan suits wearing Obama.

They don't want to investigate the coup attempt because it will drag down too many of them.

www.msn.com/fox-news-e2-80-99-sean-hannity-and-others-urged-trump-to-act-on-jan-6-in-texts-to-mark-meadows-video/ar-AARMveJ

Rep. Liz Cheney on Monday revealed during a House committee hearing that multiple Fox News hosts texted the White House chief of staff Mark Meadows during the Jan. 6 riot on the Capitol. The messages revealed that Sean Hannity and others had urged former President Trump to act on Jan. 6.

The House select committee is investigating the Capitol riot and proceeding with holding Meadows in criminal contempt on Congress for not complying with a subpoena. Cheney read the text exchanges aloud during the hearing, with one from Laura Ingraham that said: “The president needs to tell people in the Capitol to go home. … He is destroying his legacy.”

Another text from Sean Hannity to Meadows on the same day said: “Can he make a statement?… Ask people to leave the Capitol?”

“He’s got to condemn this shit ASAP. The Capitol Police tweet is not enough,“ Cheney read from one text. Another read: “We need an Oval Office address. He has to lead now. It has gone too far and gotten out of hand.”

The committee on Monday voted to hold Meadows in contempt after he failed to appear before the panel in November. A committee report released Sunday that recommended the move said that Meadows sent an email the day prior to the riots telling an individual that National Guard would be there to protect “pro Trump people.”

Meadows is the third person to get recommended for contempt proceedings from this committee. Former White House strategist Steve Bannon will stand trial for his charge in July 2022, and former Just Department official Jeffrey Clark’s deposition has been postponed until Dec. 16 due to a medical condition.

Easier to buy the FBI instigated it all.

[abbey1227]

Dec 14, 2021 6:12:19 GMT merh said:

However, Putin has made a habit of remaining in power at every moment he could have bowed out and anointed a successor. Some believe he has not found a way to transfer power and ensure that he and his family would remain safe in his retirement. The new law also gives him and former president Dmitry Medvedev lifetime immunity from prosecution.

After serving his first two terms in office, Putin assumed the post of prime minister in 2008 due to term limits but nonetheless remained the country’s de facto leader. He returned to the presidency in 2012, provoking protests among his critics on the left and right that were put down harshly.

Presidential terms have also been lengthened to six years. Putin’s current term will expire in 2024.

Why does he need to not be prosecuted?
Not suspicious at all...

as I've said.......... I guess we'll see in a few years.

And all you have to do is look at America.

When a new administration comes in, they can decide to wield the DoJ as their own weapon and even change the law to prosecute former officials.

THIS is also one of the reasons the US is in a position of weakness with our president changing every 4 or 8 years. Other countries know they can wait it out....... and agreements/treaties the United States make with others always have similar expiration dates.

Would you ever trust the US to keep it's word at this point?

[abbey1227]

Dec 14, 2021 6:25:24 GMT merh said:

Dec 14, 2021 5:49:55 GMT Prometheus said:

1. It's not about being "woke." It's about avoiding racists like you who would be quick to jump on a "Xi Variant" as "proof the Kung Flu was an attempt to overthrow the Trump administration" or whatever your QAnon god would be likely to spout.

2. You understand that Yahoo News is just an aggregator, right? Anyway... I was talking about your usual sources like National Review et al.

But, as I was saying, if Xi can redefine "democracy," I'm pretty sure your Dear Leader, Der Drumpfuhrer, could give it a go as well.

They've been groomed.
The GOP made Putin their hero when Obama was president, pointing out how manly he was in all those staged photos compared to the Chai tea latte drinking, mom jeans & tan suits wearing Obama.

They don't want to investigate the coup attempt because it will drag down too many of them.

www.msn.com/fox-news-e2-80-99-sean-hannity-and-others-urged-trump-to-act-on-jan-6-in-texts-to-mark-meadows-video/ar-AARMveJ

Rep. Liz Cheney on Monday revealed during a House committee hearing that multiple Fox News hosts texted the White House chief of staff Mark Meadows during the Jan. 6 riot on the Capitol. The messages revealed that Sean Hannity and others had urged former President Trump to act on Jan. 6.

The House select committee is investigating the Capitol riot and proceeding with holding Meadows in criminal contempt on Congress for not complying with a subpoena. Cheney read the text exchanges aloud during the hearing, with one from Laura Ingraham that said: “The president needs to tell people in the Capitol to go home. … He is destroying his legacy.”

Another text from Sean Hannity to Meadows on the same day said: “Can he make a statement?… Ask people to leave the Capitol?”

“He’s got to condemn this shit ASAP. The Capitol Police tweet is not enough,“ Cheney read from one text. Another read: “We need an Oval Office address. He has to lead now. It has gone too far and gotten out of hand.”

The committee on Monday voted to hold Meadows in contempt after he failed to appear before the panel in November. A committee report released Sunday that recommended the move said that Meadows sent an email the day prior to the riots telling an individual that National Guard would be there to protect “pro Trump people.”

Meadows is the third person to get recommended for contempt proceedings from this committee. Former White House strategist Steve Bannon will stand trial for his charge in July 2022, and former Just Department official Jeffrey Clark’s deposition has been postponed until Dec. 16 due to a medical condition.

Easier to buy the FBI instigated it all.

hey, it could just be that some people prefer masculinity........while others prefer pansies?

[merh]

Dec 14, 2021 6:29:09 GMT abbey1227 said:

Dec 14, 2021 6:25:24 GMT merh said:

They've been groomed.
The GOP made Putin their hero when Obama was president, pointing out how manly he was in all those staged photos compared to the Chai tea latte drinking, mom jeans & tan suits wearing Obama.

They don't want to investigate the coup attempt because it will drag down too many of them.

www.msn.com/fox-news-e2-80-99-sean-hannity-and-others-urged-trump-to-act-on-jan-6-in-texts-to-mark-meadows-video/ar-AARMveJ

Easier to buy the FBI instigated it all.

hey, it could just be that some people prefer masculinity........while others prefer pansies?

That's why so many masculine actors in the past turned out to be gay or bi.

[merh]

Dec 14, 2021 6:28:05 GMT abbey1227 said:

Dec 14, 2021 6:12:19 GMT merh said:

Why does he need to not be prosecuted?
Not suspicious at all...

as I've said.......... I guess we'll see in a few years.

And all you have to do is look at America.

When a new administration comes in, they can decide to wield the DoJ as their own weapon and even change the law to prosecute former officials.

THIS is also one of the reasons the US is in a position of weakness with our president changing every 4 or 8 years. Other countries know they can wait it out....... and agreements/treaties the United States make with others always have similar expiration dates.

Would you ever trust the US to keep it's word at this point?

So now you want President for Life?

Russia has 6 yr terms so officially 12 yrs max, though Putin has manipulated the system to stay in power.

So our politicians should be able to break laws?

Wait, don't you want Hillary locked up for something?

[abbey1227]

Dec 14, 2021 14:58:10 GMT merh said:

Dec 14, 2021 6:29:09 GMT abbey1227 said:

hey, it could just be that some people prefer masculinity........while others prefer pansies?

That's why so many masculine actors in the past turned out to be gay or bi.

True

Rock Hudson wasn't alone. And gayness has been around forever

[abbey1227]

Dec 14, 2021 15:01:00 GMT merh said:

So now you want President for Life?

Russia has 6 yr terms so officially 12 yrs max, though Putin has manipulated the system to stay in power.

So our politicians should be able to break laws?

Wait, don't you want Hillary locked up for something?

Did I say that?  I'm just pointing out a known factor in US Govt and politics. Just like all the freedoms we're guaranteed may actually be used against us to destroy the country.

Yes, he has. That part of the world requires dictators at the moment.......heck, some places seem to prefer it.

Should our politicians get to decide which laws to enforce depending on who the person is? Which laws to suddenly apply after the fact?

That argument is simply IF you're gonna lock up people like Roger Stone, Reality Winner and Snowden, how the hell do you excuse the more connected types?

[Prometheus]

Dec 14, 2021 6:23:46 GMT abbey1227 said:

Dec 14, 2021 6:09:51 GMT Prometheus said:

1. Except that Chinese dictator has our balls in a vice, whether we like it or not.

2. You say "redefinition." I say "clarification." When one is in conflict with the other, I say so.

We're a country run by sadists then............cuz those balls were willingly put into that vice.......and now remain there, too

Not "sadists."

Egomaniacs and racists (both parties).

They flocked to the cheap labor without the slightest understanding (or even a thought for) what they were getting themselves into. They had no concept of how the Chinese play the long game.

Americans were chasing the dollar.

The Chinese were chasing a completely different goal in which dollars would play a part.

It's the difference between tactics and strategy and it was a Chinese guy who wrote the book on both. And no matter how many politicians, or military and business leaders say that they've read "The Art of War," it's clear that they never understood it and we're all paying the price for it.