The Insurrection Investigation just keeps getting better

[abbey1227]

Feb 3, 2022 22:36:26 GMT merh said:

Jan 30, 2022 13:22:40 GMT abbey1227 said:

"Don't make me angry.........you wouldn't like me when I'm angry."  

I meant the wake up & things might be better.

I've never been one of those 'wish for better' types.

I watch people and see what they're doing to make things better themselves.

So forgive me if I just see things getting worse. Not for me, mind you. But Americans in general? They've F'd themselves......and to be honest, I'm gonna sit back and LAUGH MY ASS OFF as things get worse and worse for them. They reap what they sow

[merh]

Feb 4, 2022 15:42:52 GMT abbey1227 said:

Feb 3, 2022 22:36:26 GMT merh said:

I meant the wake up & things might be better.

I've never been one of those 'wish for better' types.

I watch people and see what they're doing to make things better themselves.

So forgive me if I just see things getting worse. Not for me, mind you. But Americans in general? They've F'd themselves......and to be honest, I'm gonna sit back and LAUGH MY ASS OFF as things get worse and worse for them. They reap what they sow

That is so sad & pessimistic. 
You live here as well, but you will laff your ass off as your life is also worsened?

I have hit there-the such horrid days. I just go to bed & start fresh in the morning with a clear head. The problem is still there, but I can have a fresh perspective on it.

[abbey1227]

Feb 4, 2022 23:20:33 GMT merh said:

Feb 4, 2022 15:42:52 GMT abbey1227 said:

I've never been one of those 'wish for better' types.

I watch people and see what they're doing to make things better themselves.

So forgive me if I just see things getting worse. Not for me, mind you. But Americans in general? They've F'd themselves......and to be honest, I'm gonna sit back and LAUGH MY ASS OFF as things get worse and worse for them. They reap what they sow

That is so sad & pessimistic. 
You live here as well, but you will laff your ass off as your life is also worsened?

I have hit there-the such horrid days. I just go to bed & start fresh in the morning with a clear head. The problem is still there, but I can have a fresh perspective on it.

YES!

I kinda like it when idiotic people finally get exactly what they deserve! You telling me you and yours haven't been rubbing one out every time a Conservative dies of covid?

Sorry, there's a big difference between us. No 'fresh start' for me every day. I remember all the crap I've seen for years and do everything that I can to avoid it. Unlike most of my fellow human beings.

[merh]

[abbey1227]

Feb 5, 2022 20:24:51 GMT merh said:

what're we supposed to be seeing here and shaking our heads at?

and can you even see how ridiculous the claims are now AFTER the media tried to pass this nonsense off............

[merh]

Feb 6, 2022 1:38:08 GMT abbey1227 said:

Feb 5, 2022 20:24:51 GMT merh said:

what're we supposed to be seeing here and shaking our heads at?

and can you even see how ridiculous the claims are now AFTER the media tried to pass this nonsense off............

The protests during the day were mostly peaceful.
After dark the other element came out.

[merh]

[merh]

[abbey1227]

Feb 7, 2022 0:31:35 GMT merh said:

You really wanna get into a Contest of who has the goofiest looking supporters? REALLY?

[abbey1227]

Feb 6, 2022 20:16:26 GMT merh said:

Feb 6, 2022 1:38:08 GMT abbey1227 said:

what're we supposed to be seeing here and shaking our heads at?

and can you even see how ridiculous the claims are now AFTER the media tried to pass this nonsense off............

The protests during the day were mostly peaceful.
After dark the other element came out.

I still don't remember the Capitol on fire...........do you? Any useful weapons found? Any real threat to the AOCs of the world?

[merh]

Feb 7, 2022 4:40:49 GMT abbey1227 said:

Feb 7, 2022 0:31:35 GMT merh said:

You really wanna get into a Contest of who has the goofiest looking supporters? REALLY?

You don't think the Q guys see themselves as the Hollywood version of revolutionaries? When the actual revolutionaries probably were on the unwashed side. More Randy Quaid than Dennis. Grooming wasn't necessarily optimal in that era, not to mention war zone hygiene. 

I used to listen to right wing talk radio on the drive home.  I heard Sean Hannity on weekends & it was a sad manipulation that everyone who called in was  called a true patriot by Hannity. Calling a radio show makes one a patriot? It's a schmooze to fluff their egos. Calling my side of the aisle low information voters. Stroking egos & they buy it up.

I've told you, someone talks to.me like that, my used car salesman radar clicks on. Have you seen that movie? One of my husband's favorites, I'm sure for the nudity, but it is so funny. The segment where they're all trying to sell cars to people, praising the buyers over little things like "the tires match your hair". 

It's why I can't see how people fall for that crap. That person talking is trying to separate one from something like one's money or vote or endirsement.

[merh]

Feb 7, 2022 4:42:15 GMT abbey1227 said:

Feb 6, 2022 20:16:26 GMT merh said:

The protests during the day were mostly peaceful.
After dark the other element came out.

I still don't remember the Capitol on fire...........do you? Any useful weapons found? Any real threat to the AOCs of the world?

They had a gallows. They were beating cops with flagpoles & shields they took from cops. 

You think guns are the only weapons?
Feces smeared on the walls isn't a biohazard?

www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/politifact/2021/07/14/some-jan-6-capitol-rioters-were-armed-guns-documents-show/7963993002/

The total number of people who carried firearms with them that day may not ever be fully accounted for because the majority of those involved in the siege were not arrested on-site but were tracked down by law enforcement days, weeks and months later.

It’s also worth noting that the definition of "armed" is not legally limited to guns — it refers to any weapon used for defense or offense and used as a means of protection. Other items used as weapons Jan. 6 included bats, crutches, flagpoles, skateboards, fire extinguishers and chemical sprays.

Can't cause a concussion with a skateboard? 
One took out the transmission of our 76 Duster. The thing rolled out in the road so my husband said "watch this" & straddled it. Hahaha, he hit it. And we had to get the transmission leak it caused fixed.

Everyone knows baseball bats don't cause damage. 

You that attached to your little boomsticks you forget a hell of a lot can be deadly?

That article was a factcheck 

Our ruling
Trump said there were "no guns whatsoever" at the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol and that "people with no guns" walked down to the Capitol.

Court records and news reports show that many insurrectionists were armed, and several were charged with having firearms on Capitol grounds or stashed nearby while in Washington D.C. In addition, rioters had weapons other than firearms and used them during the attack.

We rate this claim False.

Let's put it this way.

What do you think would have happened if that crowd had gotten their hands on Mike Pence or Nancy Pelosi? A couple congressmen were in pretty close contact like that shot of Mitt Romney being warned by a Capitol police officer & changing direction shortly before some of the crowd headed down that same hall. Think they would have just shook his hand?

[abbey1227]

Feb 7, 2022 7:32:49 GMT merh said:

You don't think the Q guys see themselves as the Hollywood version of revolutionaries? When the actual revolutionaries probably were on the unwashed side. More Randy Quaid than Dennis. Grooming wasn't necessarily optimal in that era, not to mention war zone hygiene. 

I used to listen to right wing talk radio on the drive home.  I heard Sean Hannity on weekends & it was a sad manipulation that everyone who called in was  called a true patriot by Hannity. Calling a radio show makes one a patriot? It's a schmooze to fluff their egos. Calling my side of the aisle low information voters. Stroking egos & they buy it up.

I've told you, someone talks to.me like that, my used car salesman radar clicks on. Have you seen that movie? One of my husband's favorites, I'm sure for the nudity, but it is so funny. The segment where they're all trying to sell cars to people, praising the buyers over little things like "the tires match your hair". 

It's why I can't see how people fall for that crap. That person talking is trying to separate one from something like one's money or vote or endorsement.

Then let's just agree that there's goofy looking on both sides of the aisle. 

I never liked Hannity........and another of his oft repeated schtick comments was 'You, the American people'.

Are you claiming the same isn't done on the other side though? The preening and priasing? The claims that they're smarter, more caring, more educated? It's gotta take some selective stat picking to arrive at that result, imo.

I do not like salesmen, either. I do not shop........ I show up knowing what I'm looking for. Used Cars? I love that one! Mostly cuz squeaky clean Kurt Russell was so funny at being shifty. Yep, and the way he changed his last name to whatever nationality he heard in their last name. 

I can never understand how you fall for the likes of Hillary and Barrack.     But then again, we just fundamentally disagree on the domain and purpose of Govt.

[abbey1227]

Feb 7, 2022 7:59:31 GMT merh said:

They had a gallows. They were beating cops with flagpoles & shields they took from cops. 

You think guns are the only weapons?
Feces smeared on the walls isn't a biohazard?

www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/politifact/2021/07/14/some-jan-6-capitol-rioters-were-armed-guns-documents-show/7963993002/

The total number of people who carried firearms with them that day may not ever be fully accounted for because the majority of those involved in the siege were not arrested on-site but were tracked down by law enforcement days, weeks and months later.

It’s also worth noting that the definition of "armed" is not legally limited to guns — it refers to any weapon used for defense or offense and used as a means of protection. Other items used as weapons Jan. 6 included bats, crutches, flagpoles, skateboards, fire extinguishers and chemical sprays.

Can't cause a concussion with a skateboard? 
One took out the transmission of our 76 Duster. The thing rolled out in the road so my husband said "watch this" & straddled it. Hahaha, he hit it. And we had to get the transmission leak it caused fixed.
Everyone knows baseball bats don't cause damage.
You that attached to your little boomsticks you forget a hell of a lot can be deadly?
That article was a factcheck 

Our ruling
Trump said there were "no guns whatsoever" at the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol and that "people with no guns" walked down to the Capitol.

Court records and news reports show that many insurrectionists were armed, and several were charged with having firearms on Capitol grounds or stashed nearby while in Washington D.C. In addition, rioters had weapons other than firearms and used them during the attack.

We rate this claim False.

Let's put it this way.
What do you think would have happened if that crowd had gotten their hands on Mike Pence or Nancy Pelosi? A couple congressmen were in pretty close contact like that shot of Mitt Romney being warned by a Capitol police officer & changing direction shortly before some of the crowd headed down that same hall. Think they would have just shook his hand?

I love how anti-gun types are suddenly pointing out that other things might mean a person is armed.......after all these years of claiming cops shouldn't feel threatened by 'unarmed' criminals.

Love the BS Politifact and innuendo. 'may never be known? But we'll insinuate away anyway. 

During the Rittenhouse trial people were claiming a skateboard was just a kid's toy. No threat whatsoever.  Ha! again

Our Ruling? If it goes against Trump. we're in favor. If it goes against the Dems, we're against. That's pretty much all we've seen for 5 years, merh. Biden is now receiving an even bigger pass than Obama. I didn't even think it was possible, but wow

I think they were in far less danger than any of the Antifa or BLM rallies provided to their targets.

January 6 was about the most orchestrated thing I've seen in years, as well. Gotta love a good Black Ops theatrical presentation.

[merh]

Feb 7, 2022 9:37:13 GMT abbey1227 said:

Feb 7, 2022 7:59:31 GMT merh said:

They had a gallows. They were beating cops with flagpoles & shields they took from cops. 

You think guns are the only weapons?
Feces smeared on the walls isn't a biohazard?

www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/politifact/2021/07/14/some-jan-6-capitol-rioters-were-armed-guns-documents-show/7963993002/


Can't cause a concussion with a skateboard? 
One took out the transmission of our 76 Duster. The thing rolled out in the road so my husband said "watch this" & straddled it. Hahaha, he hit it. And we had to get the transmission leak it caused fixed.
Everyone knows baseball bats don't cause damage.
You that attached to your little boomsticks you forget a hell of a lot can be deadly?
That article was a factcheck 

Let's put it this way.
What do you think would have happened if that crowd had gotten their hands on Mike Pence or Nancy Pelosi? A couple congressmen were in pretty close contact like that shot of Mitt Romney being warned by a Capitol police officer & changing direction shortly before some of the crowd headed down that same hall. Think they would have just shook his hand?

I love how anti-gun types are suddenly pointing out that other things might mean a person is armed.......after all these years of claiming cops shouldn't feel threatened by 'unarmed' criminals.

Love the BS Politifact and innuendo. 'may never be known? But we'll insinuate away anyway. 

During the Rittenhouse trial people were claiming a skateboard was just a kid's toy. No threat whatsoever.  Ha! again

Our Ruling? If it goes against Trump. we're in favor. If it goes against the Dems, we're against. That's pretty much all we've seen for 5 years, merh. Biden is now receiving an even bigger pass than Obama. I didn't even think it was possible, but wow

I think they were in far less danger than any of the Antifa or BLM rallies provided to their targets.

January 6 was about the most orchestrated thing I've seen in years, as well. Gotta love a good Black Ops theatrical presentation.

Good God, you are programmed, aren't you?
The evil FBI did it!

[abbey1227]

Feb 7, 2022 22:28:12 GMT merh said:

Good God, you are programmed, aren't you?
The evil FBI did it!

programmed? Or simply paying some attention and well aware of the history of the US Govt's actions? Agent provocateurs not part of your memory? Or only when it convicts RWNJs?

[merh]

Feb 8, 2022 1:25:11 GMT abbey1227 said:

Feb 7, 2022 22:28:12 GMT merh said:

Good God, you are programmed, aren't you?
The evil FBI did it!

programmed? Or simply paying some attention and well aware of the history of the US Govt's actions? Agent provocateurs not part of your memory? Or only when it convicts RWNJs?

Kaleb Franks, one of the men charged with conspiring to kidnap Wisconsin Governor Gretchen Whitmer, met his fellow conspirators through an online militia, according to new court documents.

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A second member of an alleged plot to kidnap and hurt Gov. Gretchen Whitmer has agreed to plead guilty and help the government try to fight defense claims of entrapment during next month's trial, according to a federal court filing Monday.

Waterford Township resident Kaleb Franks, 27, will plead guilty to kidnapping conspiracy, which is punishable by up to life in federal prison, according to a plea deal filed in court Monday that reveals new details about how accused plotters focused their attention on Michigan's governor.

Franks was scheduled to stand trial March 8 in federal court in Grand Rapids alongside four others charged in the kidnapping case. A sixth man, Ty Garbin, pleaded guilty last year and is serving a six-year prison sentence; he is expected to be the government's star witness.

The deal, which requires Franks to cooperate with federal investigators and testify, includes a section aimed at fighting an expected entrapment defense by four accused plotters during next month's trial. The section describes how Franks learned after he was arrested in October 2020 that the FBI used undercover agents and as many as a dozen informants.

“The defendant was not entrapped or induced to commit any crimes by these individuals,” the plea deal reads.

The four scheduled to stand trial are: Potterville resident Adam Fox, Delaware truck driver Barry Croft, Lake Orion resident Daniel Harris and Canton Township resident Brandon Caserta. Eight others are facing state charges.

“The defendant also knows Fox, Croft, Harris and Caserta were not entrapped, based on personal observation and discussions," the plea deal reads.

Prosecutors chart Franks’ growing involvement with members of a group that has focused attention on extremism fueled by opposition to state restrictions imposed by Whitmer during the early months of the COVID-19 pandemic.

According to the plea agreement, Franks will admit to conspiring with four others from June 2020 to October 2020.

Franks connected with members of the Wolverine Watchmen, a Michigan militia, through a Facebook firearms group in spring 2020, was invited to a protest in Lake Orion and met another accused plotter, Daniel Harris, according to the plea deal.

Harris invited him to join the militia’s chat group on the encrypted Wire application, according to the government.

“The defendant understood they were using encrypted communications to conceal discussion of illegal activity from law enforcement,” the plea deal reads.

Defense lawyers have argued there was no kidnapping conspiracy and that undercover FBI agents and informants entrapped the men



Franks passed a vetting process and started attending meetings and firearms training. In late June 2020, he attended a tactical training in Munith and met Adam Fox of Potterville, one of the accused kidnap plot ringleaders.

During a July meeting in Milford, the accused plotters discussed a proposal to “black bag politicians,” according to the court filing.

“The defendant and Harris thought the plan wouldn't work at that time, but later changed their minds,” the plea agreement reads. “The group agreed that it remained an ‘open discussion’ as to when exactly it was appropriate to launch aggressive measures against the government.”

Later that month during tactical training in Wisconsin, Franks met a second accused ringleader, truck driver Barry Croft of Delaware, prosecutors wrote in the court filing. Croft brought an assault rifle and projectile launcher to the training session.

“Croft discussed modifying legal projectiles to launch explosive devices,” according to the plea deal. “Croft also brought materials for constructing improvised explosive devices ("IEDs") using gunpowder and BBs as shrapnel. Croft and Harris assembled two IEDs, which they unsuccessfully attempted to detonate.”

The plea deal describes how the accused plotters focused their attention on Whitmer.

The group attended a regional militia meeting on July 18 in Ohio during which several ideas were discussed. Croft proposed bombing Michigan State Police posts, according to the filing.

Fox suggested storming the state Capitol with snipers and 200 men armed with machine guns, prosecutors wrote.

“The defendant and Garbin believed that plan was not feasible with the group's available manpower, training and equipment,” the plea deal reads. “Fox also proposed kidnapping (Whitmer) from other locations as an alternative. Fox and Croft discussed waiting until the upcoming election, when they thought law enforcement resources would be spread thin responding to civil unrest.”

The Capitol proposal was discarded during a July 23 meeting at Harris’ home in Lake Orion, prosecutors alleged. That’s when the plan to kidnap Whitmer crystallized, according to the plea deal.

“The defendant knowingly and voluntarily joined that plan,” prosecutors wrote.

The plot intensified in August when Fox conducted daytime surveillance of the governor’s vacation home in northern Michigan and sent photographs of the house to other members of the alleged plot, prosecutors wrote.

In mid-September 2020, Franks traveled to a remote camp in Luther owned by Garbin and helped him build a firing range and training outpost for the kidnap plotters, prosecutors wrote. They used construction equipment to build the firing range and Franks acquired hundreds of used tires from a tire shop.

“The defendants constructed a ‘shoot house’ and used it to practice breaching a residence with firearms,” the plea deal reads. “Fox and Croft said it would serve as a 'mockup' of the governor's home.”

The camp served as the staging post for a nighttime surveillance run at Whitmer’s vacation home. Franks rode with others in a three-car convoy, but could not pinpoint the home with certainty, according to the plea deal.

That’s because Fox, who was derisively nicknamed “Captain Autism” by other members of the group, juxtaposed numbers in the governor’s address, prosecutors wrote.

www.detroitnews.com/michigan/2022/02/07/gov-gretchen-whitmer-kidnap-plotter-kaleb-franks-plead-guilty-court-records//

[abbey1227]

Feb 10, 2022 4:07:12 GMT merh said:

Feb 8, 2022 1:25:11 GMT abbey1227 said:

programmed? Or simply paying some attention and well aware of the history of the US Govt's actions? Agent provocateurs not part of your memory? Or only when it convicts RWNJs?

Kaleb Franks, one of the men charged with conspiring to kidnap Wisconsin Governor Gretchen Whitmer, met his fellow conspirators through an online militia, according to new court documents.

That was in Michigan........ I know, I know........we're all the same here in the flyover midwest. 

And I kinda thought all these charges were going to be dismissed once the FBI was caught setting the entire thing up. They must be using the Agent Smith approach on some of these people.

[merh]

Feb 10, 2022 12:56:04 GMT abbey1227 said:

Feb 10, 2022 4:07:12 GMT merh said:

That was in Michigan........ I know, I know........we're all the same here in the flyover midwest. 

And I kinda thought all these charges were going to be dismissed once the FBI was caught setting the entire thing up. They must be using the Agent Smith approach on some of these people.

The deal, which requires Franks to cooperate with federal investigators and testify, includes a section aimed at fighting an expected entrapment defense by four accused plotters during next month's trial. The section describes how Franks learned after he was arrested in October 2020 that the FBI used undercover agents and as many as a dozen informants.

“The defendant was not entrapped or induced to commit any crimes by these individuals,” the plea deal reads.

The four scheduled to stand trial are: Potterville resident Adam Fox, Delaware truck driver Barry Croft, Lake Orion resident Daniel Harris and Canton Township resident Brandon Caserta. Eight others are facing state charges.

“The defendant also knows Fox, Croft, Harris and Caserta were not entrapped, based on personal observation and discussions," the plea deal reads.

Doesn't look like it.

[abbey1227]

Feb 10, 2022 20:27:32 GMT merh said:

Feb 10, 2022 12:56:04 GMT abbey1227 said:

That was in Michigan........ I know, I know........we're all the same here in the flyover midwest. 

And I kinda thought all these charges were going to be dismissed once the FBI was caught setting the entire thing up. They must be using the Agent Smith approach on some of these people.

The deal, which requires Franks to cooperate with federal investigators and testify, includes a section aimed at fighting an expected entrapment defense by four accused plotters during next month's trial. The section describes how Franks learned after he was arrested in October 2020 that the FBI used undercover agents and as many as a dozen informants.

“The defendant was not entrapped or induced to commit any crimes by these individuals,” the plea deal reads.

The four scheduled to stand trial are: Potterville resident Adam Fox, Delaware truck driver Barry Croft, Lake Orion resident Daniel Harris and Canton Township resident Brandon Caserta. Eight others are facing state charges.

“The defendant also knows Fox, Croft, Harris and Caserta were not entrapped, based on personal observation and discussions," the plea deal reads.

Doesn't look like it.

so unlike Neo, this guy caved and cooperated under the full weight of the Federal Govt

Then he'll turn against anyone else they instruct him to.

Totally impressive crime fighting there.