The Insurrection Investigation just keeps getting better

[merh]

Dec 14, 2021 5:22:51 GMT abbey1227 said:

Dec 14, 2021 3:03:43 GMT Prometheus said:

But you're not him and he's not here, so what you suspect that he might say is just another logical fallacy... sort of like dropping a meme about a quote that someone never said.

Don't believe everything you read on the internet - Abe Lincoln

That's why one has to research as I keep telling you. 

I learned from a quarter century of Christian indoctrination to trust but verify what people claim

[abbey1227]

Dec 14, 2021 7:33:02 GMT merh said:

Dec 14, 2021 5:22:51 GMT abbey1227 said:

Don't believe everything you read on the internet - Abe Lincoln

That's why one has to research as I keep telling you. 

I learned from a quarter century of Christian indoctrination to trust but verify what people claim

so how much of Christianity is left for you?

What have you learned from decades of leftist indoctrination? 

[merh]

Dec 14, 2021 5:51:00 GMT abbey1227 said:

Dec 14, 2021 5:43:47 GMT Prometheus said:

'Xactly!

And we all know what Twain had to say on the subject as well, don't we?

“The man who does not read has no advantage over the man who cannot read.”?

personally I prefer.........

“The more I learn about people, the more I like my dog.” ― Mark Twain

Twain loved cats.
Had 19.
Apparently because he couldn't take his with him when he traveled

2. Cats For Rent
While traveling, Twain was a great steward of the felines who crossed his path. He couldn’t bring his own cats while he toured speaking engagements, so he rented those that were available.

“The most famous cat-renting episode occurred in Dublin, New Hampshire, in 1906,” New England Today reports. “Twain biographer Albert Bigelow Paine was there when the author rented three kittens for the summer. One he named Sackcloth. The other two were identical and went under the joint name of Ashes.”

[merh]

Dec 14, 2021 7:34:31 GMT abbey1227 said:

Dec 14, 2021 7:33:02 GMT merh said:

That's why one has to research as I keep telling you. 

I learned from a quarter century of Christian indoctrination to trust but verify what people claim

so how much of Christianity is left for you?

What have you learned from decades of leftist indoctrination? 

I switched to Democrat because of Ronnie.

Right around the time I discovered there are people who will lie to sell what they believe in. Like Christianity 

So there are some great messages in Christianity but a lot of people have distorted those messages

Read the Bible oneself

[abbey1227]

Dec 14, 2021 7:42:20 GMT merh said:

I switched to Democrat because of Ronnie.

Right around the time I discovered there are people who will lie to sell what they believe in. Like Christianity 

So there are some great messages in Christianity but a lot of people have distorted those messages

Read the Bible oneself

He didn't leave the Democrat Party.........but you went left because of him? 

I caught a stand up that said Ted Bundy wanted to either be a lawyer or a politician...........and tons of movies/documentaries keep insisting he was so smart and good looking? I guess he would have done well in DC.

New Testament: Ephesians 6:5-9 New International Version (NIV) 5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.

[merh]

Dec 14, 2021 7:56:27 GMT abbey1227 said:

Dec 14, 2021 7:42:20 GMT merh said:

I switched to Democrat because of Ronnie.

Right around the time I discovered there are people who will lie to sell what they believe in. Like Christianity 

So there are some great messages in Christianity but a lot of people have distorted those messages

Read the Bible oneself

He didn't leave the Democrat Party.........but you went left because of him? 

I caught a stand up that said Ted Bundy wanted to either be a lawyer or a politician...........and tons of movies/documentaries keep insisting he was so smart and good looking? I guess he would have done well in DC.

New Testament: Ephesians 6:5-9 New International Version (NIV) 5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.

I said READ the Bible. There are contradictions & it helps to understand the people who wrote it.

Yeah I have a book called Who Wrote the Bible.

For thousands of years, the prophet Moses was regarded as the sole author of the first five books of the Bible, known as the Pentateuch. According to tradition, Moses was divinely directed to write down foundational events in the history of the world: the creation of humans, the worldwide flood, the laws as they were handed down at Mt. Sinai, and the cycle of Israel’s enslavement and liberation from Egypt.

However, these stories—and their frequent discrepancies—provoke questions: why does the first chapter in Genesis say that man and woman were made in God’s image, while the second says that woman was made from man’s rib? Why does one account of the flood say it lasted forty days, while another records no less than one hundred? And why do some stories reflect the history of southern Judah, while others seem sourced from northern Israel?

Originally published in 1987, Richard Friedman’s Who Wrote the Bible? joins a host of modern scholars who show that the Pentateuch was written by at least four distinct voices—separated by borders, political alliances, and particular moments in history—then connected by brilliant editors. Rather than cast doubt onto the legitimacy of the Bible, Friedman uses these divergent accounts to illuminate a text that was written by real people. Friedman’s seminal and bestselling text is a comprehensive and authoritative answer to the question: just who exactly wrote the Bible?

Review
“A thought-provoking [and] perceptive guide” — New York Times Book Review

"Brilliantly presented: there is no other book like this one. It may well be unique.” — Los Angeles Times

"Remarkable. Friedman has written that most rare of books: a legitimate intellectual contribution that is also a good read. The field of biblical studies will be enriched by this book." — Dallas Times Herald

[abbey1227]

Dec 14, 2021 15:21:25 GMT merh said:

Dec 14, 2021 7:56:27 GMT abbey1227 said:

I said READ the Bible. There are contradictions & it helps to understand the people who wrote it.

Yeah I have a book called Who Wrote the Bible.

I kinda enjoyed Don't Know Much About the Bible, too  

[merh]

Dec 13, 2021 4:31:31 GMT abbey1227 said:

Dec 13, 2021 1:09:06 GMT Prometheus said:

Yeah. I know. To him it was just some tourists who got picked on by those nasty police.

Of course if those police had shot and killed a black tourist, Abbey would be defending them.

I've called it one of the softest coups ever.  

And I suspect jpat would agree with me about how FBI infiltrated the entire orchestrated event actually was.

[merh]

New date!



Hopium?

[merh]

Memories!

A former locomotive engineer at the Port of Los Angeles pleaded guilty Thursday to a federal terrorism charge for intentionally running a train at full speed off the tracks near the Navy hospital ship Mercy last year.

Eduardo Moreno of San Pedro, 45, entered his plea to a charge of committing a terrorist attack and other violence against railroad carriers and mass transportation systems, which carries a potential prison sentence of up to 20 years and lifetime supervised release, according to the U.S. Attorney's Office.

However, Moreno's plea agreement states that the government intends to seek a sentence of about six-and-a-half years and restitution of $700,000 to be paid to Pacific Harbor Line, the railroad company at the port.

A sentencing hearing was set for March 11.

No one was injured in the March 31, 2020, incident and the USNS Mercy was not damaged. The Mercy was docked at the port in case it was needed to ease the strain on local hospitals during the coronavirus pandemic.

Moreno claimed that the vessel was docked at the port as part of a conspiracy, possibly a “government takeover.''

In an interview with FBI agents, Moreno stated that he ran the train off the track out of a desire to ``wake people up'' because the Mercy was “suspicious'' and not ‘what they say it's for,'' according to documents filed in Los Angeles federal court.

The train crash was witnessed by a California Highway Patrol officer, who took Moreno into custody as he fled the scene, federal prosecutors said.

The officer reported seeing “the train smash into a concrete barrier at the end of the track, smash into a steel barrier, smash into a chain-link fence, slide through a parking lot, slide across another lot filled with gravel and smash into a second chain-link fence,'' according to court papers

When the CHP officer contacted Moreno, he made a series of spontaneous statements, including, “You only get this chance once. The whole world is watching. I had to. People don't know what's going on here. Now they will,''

according to court filings.

In his first interview with port police, Moreno admitted crashing the train, saying he was suspicious of the Mercy and believed it had an alternate purpose related to COVID-19, such as a “government takeover,'' prosecutors said.

Moreno stated that he acted alone and had not pre-planned the attack. While admitting to intentionally derailing and crashing the train, he said he knew it would bring media attention and “people could see for themselves,'' referring to the Mercy, according to the U.S. Attorney's Office.

The L.A. Port Police reviewed video recorded from the locomotive's cab, officials said. One video shows the train clearly moving at a high rate of speed before crashing through various barriers and coming into close proximity to three occupied vehicles. A second video shows Moreno in the cab holding a lighted flare, according to prosecutors.

The Mercy docked at the port on March 27, 2020. Its 1,000 hospital beds were used as a relief valve for Southland hospitals overrun with coronavirus patients. The hospital ship did not treat any COVID-19 patients

www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/la-port-hospital-ship-mercy-train-derailment-terrorism/2780563/

[merh]

Dec 14, 2021 7:30:33 GMT abbey1227 said:

Dec 14, 2021 7:19:32 GMT merh said:

Well, Mr Calm makes 3 times more than I ever did & any law enforcement info I have is worthless because I was "just" clerical staff in his opinion.

So, yeah, he's not high on my list after that put down 

Dude, were you doing all those things like driving without a license?
If so, it wasn't the fault of cops enforcing the laws you were breaking 

Was he correcting you? or just explaining how the law/enforcement works? Those can be very different things.

You both had to deal with the same kinda people...........he just got to do it often at night, out in the open while they were at their worst. While you got them in a well lit office setting.

Yep, in my early 20s I was what they called a habitual traffic offender.   

It wasn't the cops' fault .......it was MY fault for continually putting myself in those positions. Live & Learn

He was discounting my worth.
I had no value.

My opinion had no value/his was superior because he was an officer & I was office help.

But the thing is, my position, as I explained a few times,  was doing much of what the officers did. I went into the bathroom just myself & the offender with a closed door because to ensure the validity of urine samples, they had to be observed to be sure they were not just pulling a bottle of someone else's urine out of a pocket or somewhere else. 

Hell, at one point the set up was the officer stayed in the waiting room with all the clients while myself & the other person of my job title went into a back room that was around the size of 2 bathrooms to interview the clients.

In any of those situations, had the client attacked us, it would have taken a minute or 2 for the officer to respond.

But my version of law enforcement was crap to jpat.
I was inflating my value


So like I have always said.
Cops get a bad rap because they are enforcing the laws society sets for behavior. It's the cop's fault for pulling you over, not your fault for breaking the law.

[abbey1227]

Dec 18, 2021 12:24:57 GMT merh said:

He was discounting my worth.
I had no value.
My opinion had no value/his was superior because he was an officer & I was office help.

But the thing is, my position, as I explained a few times,  was doing much of what the officers did. I went into the bathroom just myself & the offender with a closed door because to ensure the validity of urine samples, they had to be observed to be sure they were not just pulling a bottle of someone else's urine out of a pocket or somewhere else. 

Hell, at one point the set up was the officer stayed in the waiting room with all the clients while myself & the other person of my job title went into a back room that was around the size of 2 bathrooms to interview the clients.

In any of those situations, had the client attacked us, it would have taken a minute or 2 for the officer to respond.

But my version of law enforcement was crap to jpat.
I was inflating my value

So like I have always said.
Cops get a bad rap because they are enforcing the laws society sets for behavior. It's the cop's fault for pulling you over, not your fault for breaking the law.

I never got that vibe off of him towards you. Could it be you were reading more into it than what was there? .......maybe because of how other officers have treated you in the past?

You may have been inflating the risk levels you faced compared to officers out on the street.........but you're still part of the gigantic machine that is the US justice system.

True that. I do not get WHY people are never more upset with their politicians that pass these laws or refuse to eliminate them.

[merh]

Dec 18, 2021 13:43:56 GMT abbey1227 said:

Dec 18, 2021 12:24:57 GMT merh said:

He was discounting my worth.
I had no value.
My opinion had no value/his was superior because he was an officer & I was office help.

But the thing is, my position, as I explained a few times,  was doing much of what the officers did. I went into the bathroom just myself & the offender with a closed door because to ensure the validity of urine samples, they had to be observed to be sure they were not just pulling a bottle of someone else's urine out of a pocket or somewhere else. 

Hell, at one point the set up was the officer stayed in the waiting room with all the clients while myself & the other person of my job title went into a back room that was around the size of 2 bathrooms to interview the clients.

In any of those situations, had the client attacked us, it would have taken a minute or 2 for the officer to respond.

But my version of law enforcement was crap to jpat.
I was inflating my value

So like I have always said.
Cops get a bad rap because they are enforcing the laws society sets for behavior. It's the cop's fault for pulling you over, not your fault for breaking the law.

I never got that vibe off of him towards you. Could it be you were reading more into it than what was there? .......maybe because of how other officers have treated you in the past?

You may have been inflating the risk levels you faced compared to officers out on the street.........but you're still part of the gigantic machine that is the US justice system.

True that. I do not get WHY people are never more upset with their politicians that pass these laws or refuse to eliminate them.

Don't forget my officers didn't do much field work. The medium risk group did NO field work.
People came in to see us so we were dealing with the same people in an small setting. 

The last couple year I dealt with the guys released from prison early. Ones who would leave our caseload getting re-arrested for murder or robbery.

Lacking proper interview rooms when I started this position we brought clients into our cubicles so we were instructed no personal photos, etc. I was at Sea World with my husband & child back before my kid was 10 yrs old & one of the clients waved me down to say hi. Fine for myself, but a bit scary to have my kid seen by a client.

When we brought them into our cubicles one gal asked for the proof the client was supposed to bring & in emptying his pockets onto her desk, he placed a knife on the desk that he kept "for protection"

As I explained, we were a hybrid position. Under clerical as a heading, but closer to the first level sworn officers who worked in the Hall with the kids. Our position was created to be a path for clerical to promote to officer but a fuss was raised & it stopped there before that route was completed. The supervisor who made my life hell(& the lives of other staff under her) wanted to eliminate the position. There were 50 of us at one point, but when the department moved to eliminate us, the numbers dwindled to less than 30. 

Our officers loved the support we provided. I went to training, explained my position to an officer I used to work.with before I promoted & he asked where he could get one of us.

But, yeah, I kept explaining that to my coworkers. Our clients saw us as a giant justice system organization but we were many different departments. They would tell the court their new address but not us so the question became were they hiding their residence because we would come out to their homes & the court wouldn't or because they honestly thought there was communication between all the different departments that there wasn't?

No comment on the train?
I remember how crazy it was when that happened. 
Like did he think the train would fly into the harbor & hit the ship?
So everyone's talking about the guy who got 5 yrs for hitting the officer with the fire extinguisher (peaceful protester.) But this guy is looking at 6.5 yrs & has to pay $700,000 for the damage he caused trying to spread the idea the Mercy ship in the harbor was up to no good.

[abbey1227]

Dec 18, 2021 19:58:52 GMT merh said:

But, yeah, I kept explaining that to my coworkers. Our clients saw us as a giant justice system organization but we were many different departments. They would tell the court their new address but not us so the question became were they hiding their residence because we would come out to their homes & the court wouldn't or because they honestly thought there was communication between all the different departments that there wasn't?

No comment on the train?
I remember how crazy it was when that happened. 
Like did he think the train would fly into the harbor & hit the ship?
So everyone's talking about the guy who got 5 yrs for hitting the officer with the fire extinguisher (peaceful protester.) But this guy is looking at 6.5 yrs & has to pay $700,000 for the damage he caused trying to spread the idea the Mercy ship in the harbor was up to no good.

So.......... one giant justice system organization..........just with different departments. 

I don't know that you want my take on crazy people. The guy was clearly off his nut and I do not have an answer for crazy people........not one you'd like anyway.

Assaulting someone else is NOT peaceful. Was it established that he hit anyone with it? Or is that a different instance from that BS story of the officer that died a day or two later?

It's too bad most of these people arrested over Jan 6th don't have Kamala and others bailing them out, huh?

[merh]

Dec 19, 2021 2:27:48 GMT abbey1227 said:

Dec 18, 2021 19:58:52 GMT merh said:

But, yeah, I kept explaining that to my coworkers. Our clients saw us as a giant justice system organization but we were many different departments. They would tell the court their new address but not us so the question became were they hiding their residence because we would come out to their homes & the court wouldn't or because they honestly thought there was communication between all the different departments that there wasn't?

No comment on the train?
I remember how crazy it was when that happened. 
Like did he think the train would fly into the harbor & hit the ship?
So everyone's talking about the guy who got 5 yrs for hitting the officer with the fire extinguisher (peaceful protester.) But this guy is looking at 6.5 yrs & has to pay $700,000 for the damage he caused trying to spread the idea the Mercy ship in the harbor was up to no good.

So.......... one giant justice system organization..........just with different departments. 

I don't know that you want my take on crazy people. The guy was clearly off his nut and I do not have an answer for crazy people........not one you'd like anyway.

Assaulting someone else is NOT peaceful. Was it established that he hit anyone with it? Or is that a different instance from that BS story of the officer that died a day or two later?

It's too bad most of these people arrested over Jan 6th don't have Kamala and others bailing them out, huh?

Police
Sheriff 
District Attorney 
Public defenders
Courts
Probation
Prisons

Think they are all 1 thing?

Good freaking hell, nothing happened January 6?

A Trump supporter got sentenced to more than 5 years in prison Friday for his role in the January 6 riot.

Robert Palmer pleaded guilty in October to throwing a fire extinguisher at police guarding the Capitol

Palmer said he was "ashamed" of his conduct and recounted being struck by an MSNBC segment on his case.

An avid supporter of former President Donald Trump who threw a fire extinguisher at police during the January 6 attack on the Capitol was sentenced Friday to more than 5 years in prison, the longest term ordered to date in a prosecution arising out of the deadly rampage.

Robert Scott Palmer, who wore a American flag sweatshirt emblazoned with Trump's name during the Capitol siege, pleaded guilty in October to assaulting police on January 6.

He was part of the pro-Trump mob that overwhelmed police protecting the Capitol during the certification of Joe Biden's White House victory and faced federal charges for spraying law enforcement officers with the contents of the fire extinguisher. Once it was empty, he hurled the extinguisher itself at police officers, prosecutors said.

US District Court Judge Tanya Chutkan delivered Palmer's 63-month sentence, which is exactly what federal prosecutors had recommended for the Florida businessman who said he'd been swept up in the furor of the pro-Trump mob.

In a court filing recommending that sentence, prosecutors noted that while some Capitol rioters donned tactical gear and used dangerous weapons during the melee, Palmer was among those who transformed ordinary objects — such as flag poles, sticks, and barricades — into dangerous weapons.

On Friday, Chutkan said many others shared Palmer's objection to the 2020 election results and "perhaps thought the election was stolen in some way."

But, she added, "they stayed home. You decided on your own free will to leave Florida and come to Washington and go to the rally. That's your right. You're not being sentenced for your political views. When you left that rally and went to the Capitol and saw what was going on and engaged in combat with a law enforcement officer — that's what you're being punished for."

The Capitol attack was not a protest but rather "a violent attempt to stop the peaceful transfer of power," said Chutkan, an appointee of President Barack Obama, noting the rioters caused destruction, death and injuries both seen an unseen.

"Many of the people who were inside the Capitol will carry that for a long time," Chutkan said.

Palmer has been in custody since his October guilty plea. In brief remarks to Chutkan, Palmer appeared to grow emotional as he recounted watching an MSNBC segment on his case while in jail and being struck by the violence of January 6. He described law enforcement as "so brave" and said he was "so ashamed I was a part of that — very, very ashamed."

Ahead of Palmer's sentencing, his defense lawyer argued that a sentence of between 18 months and two years would be "sufficient, but not greater than necessary," and that he recognized his actions on January 6 were "inexcusable."

Prosecutors cast doubt on Palmer's level of remorse. After admitting guilt, they said, Palmer posted online that his actions were purely defensive and that he had been reacting to being tear-gassed. Still, prosecutors said Palmer had pleaded guilty relatively early.

Chutkan on Friday said the post showed that Palmer "still denied culpability" after pleading guilty.

Palmer's sentence stands out as longest among Capitol rioters, with some of the other more prominent ones receiving prison sentences of more than three years.

Jacob Chansley, a Capitol rioter known as the QAnon Shaman, got sentenced to 41 months in prison after pleading guilty to storming the Capitol. Chansley has appealed his sentence to the US Court of Appeals for the DC Circuit.

Another rioter, Scott Fairlamb, received the same sentence after pleading guilty to assaulting police on January 6.

After participating in the Capitol riot, Palmer told HuffPost that the Biden administration was seeking to "villify the patriots" who joined in the January 6 violence. Chutkan on Friday noted the work of outnumbered police officers that day and urged Palmer to look behind him in the courtroom to marshals who ran over to the Capitol to help on January 6.

"They were the patriots that day, Mr. Palmer," Chutkan said.

news.yahoo.com/capitol-rioter-threw-fire-extinguisher-190036692.html

Didn't do nothing,  right?

[abbey1227]

Dec 19, 2021 3:21:57 GMT merh said:

Dec 19, 2021 2:27:48 GMT abbey1227 said:

So.......... one giant justice system organization..........just with different departments. 

I don't know that you want my take on crazy people. The guy was clearly off his nut and I do not have an answer for crazy people........not one you'd like anyway.

Assaulting someone else is NOT peaceful. Was it established that he hit anyone with it? Or is that a different instance from that BS story of the officer that died a day or two later?

It's too bad most of these people arrested over Jan 6th don't have Kamala and others bailing them out, huh?

Police
Sheriff 
District Attorney 
Public defenders
Courts
Probation
Prisons

Think they are all 1 thing?

Good freaking hell, nothing happened January 6?

A Trump supporter got sentenced to more than 5 years in prison Friday for his role in the January 6 riot.

Robert Palmer pleaded guilty in October to throwing a fire extinguisher at police guarding the Capitol

Palmer said he was "ashamed" of his conduct and recounted being struck by an MSNBC segment on his case.

An avid supporter of former President Donald Trump who threw a fire extinguisher at police during the January 6 attack on the Capitol was sentenced Friday to more than 5 years in prison, the longest term ordered to date in a prosecution arising out of the deadly rampage.

Robert Scott Palmer, who wore a American flag sweatshirt emblazoned with Trump's name during the Capitol siege, pleaded guilty in October to assaulting police on January 6.

He was part of the pro-Trump mob that overwhelmed police protecting the Capitol during the certification of Joe Biden's White House victory and faced federal charges for spraying law enforcement officers with the contents of the fire extinguisher. Once it was empty, he hurled the extinguisher itself at police officers, prosecutors said.

US District Court Judge Tanya Chutkan delivered Palmer's 63-month sentence, which is exactly what federal prosecutors had recommended for the Florida businessman who said he'd been swept up in the furor of the pro-Trump mob.

In a court filing recommending that sentence, prosecutors noted that while some Capitol rioters donned tactical gear and used dangerous weapons during the melee, Palmer was among those who transformed ordinary objects — such as flag poles, sticks, and barricades — into dangerous weapons.

On Friday, Chutkan said many others shared Palmer's objection to the 2020 election results and "perhaps thought the election was stolen in some way."

But, she added, "they stayed home. You decided on your own free will to leave Florida and come to Washington and go to the rally. That's your right. You're not being sentenced for your political views. When you left that rally and went to the Capitol and saw what was going on and engaged in combat with a law enforcement officer — that's what you're being punished for."

The Capitol attack was not a protest but rather "a violent attempt to stop the peaceful transfer of power," said Chutkan, an appointee of President Barack Obama, noting the rioters caused destruction, death and injuries both seen an unseen.

"Many of the people who were inside the Capitol will carry that for a long time," Chutkan said.

Palmer has been in custody since his October guilty plea. In brief remarks to Chutkan, Palmer appeared to grow emotional as he recounted watching an MSNBC segment on his case while in jail and being struck by the violence of January 6. He described law enforcement as "so brave" and said he was "so ashamed I was a part of that — very, very ashamed."

Ahead of Palmer's sentencing, his defense lawyer argued that a sentence of between 18 months and two years would be "sufficient, but not greater than necessary," and that he recognized his actions on January 6 were "inexcusable."

Prosecutors cast doubt on Palmer's level of remorse. After admitting guilt, they said, Palmer posted online that his actions were purely defensive and that he had been reacting to being tear-gassed. Still, prosecutors said Palmer had pleaded guilty relatively early.

Chutkan on Friday said the post showed that Palmer "still denied culpability" after pleading guilty.

Palmer's sentence stands out as longest among Capitol rioters, with some of the other more prominent ones receiving prison sentences of more than three years.

Jacob Chansley, a Capitol rioter known as the QAnon Shaman, got sentenced to 41 months in prison after pleading guilty to storming the Capitol. Chansley has appealed his sentence to the US Court of Appeals for the DC Circuit.

Another rioter, Scott Fairlamb, received the same sentence after pleading guilty to assaulting police on January 6.

After participating in the Capitol riot, Palmer told HuffPost that the Biden administration was seeking to "villify the patriots" who joined in the January 6 violence. Chutkan on Friday noted the work of outnumbered police officers that day and urged Palmer to look behind him in the courtroom to marshals who ran over to the Capitol to help on January 6.

"They were the patriots that day, Mr. Palmer," Chutkan said.

news.yahoo.com/capitol-rioter-threw-fire-extinguisher-190036692.html

Didn't do nothing,  right?

Are we speaking the same language?  Assaulting others is NOT okay with me

oh, and fry cook, grill cook, counter person, Asst manager, drive-thru window, etc etc etc........all under the Golden Arches but not the same thing?

[merh]

Dec 19, 2021 3:27:10 GMT abbey1227 said:

Dec 19, 2021 3:21:57 GMT merh said:

Police
Sheriff 
District Attorney 
Public defenders
Courts
Probation
Prisons

Think they are all 1 thing?

Good freaking hell, nothing happened January 6?

news.yahoo.com/capitol-rioter-threw-fire-extinguisher-190036692.html

Didn't do nothing,  right?

Are we speaking the same language? Assaulting others is NOT okay with me

Yet did you not say

Dec 19, 2021 2:27:48 GMT abbey1227 said:

Assaulting someone else is NOT peaceful. Was it established that he hit anyone with it? Or is that a different instance from that BS story of the officer that died a day or two later?

Once again you are discounting the Trump supporter did anything violent. This is what I was responding to.

There was at least a level of that cop hating you say you did before jpat99 only some were willing to take it to assaulting cops. Sort of the difference some people get into bar fights & some don't.  Some can hate cops while others want to assault them.

Something made some of these guys decide it was OK to attack cops. Do you think it had ANYTHING to do with the whole "they" stole the election thread of thought? That people could be do devoted to Trump they wanted to physically attack the faceless "them" that stole th election?

Dec 19, 2021 3:27:10 GMT abbey1227 said:

oh, and fry cook, grill cook, counter person, Asst manager, drive-thru window, etc etc etc........all under the Golden Arches but not the same thing?

...
Some of these things hurt my brain so bad.

The district attorney prosecuted cases.
This makes them lawyers representing the state.

The Judge decides the case. In California that puts them technically under the jurisdiction of the State of California, not the local county. 

You are describing jobs at the same business.
Like those things exist at McDonalds & at Denny's.  Would you confuse McDonalds & Denny's as being the same company?

The thing is to the average lawbreakers it is one big entity when it is the officer that arrested them could be a policeman, a Sheriff,  a harbor patrol officer, school security, etc.

Why would a logical brain see them as the same thing as lawyers with years of schooling to learn the law well enough to either prosecute the criminals or to defend them? Do you think they trade off? One case they are prosecutors & others they are defenders or does the idea strike you as absurd as it is?

Or the clerks shuffling papers around the offices of the Court, the police, etc.?

Actually those court reporters are paid obscenely well. The ones typing those notes in court who are sometimes asked to read what someone just said in court? Their annual salary was double mine. Over $100,000/yr. 

Bailiffs? Here that's handled by the Sheriff Department 

[abbey1227]

Dec 20, 2021 8:33:38 GMT merh said:

Dec 19, 2021 2:27:48 GMT abbey1227 said:

Assaulting someone else is NOT peaceful. Was it established that he hit anyone with it? Or is that a different instance from that BS story of the officer that died a day or two later?

Once again you are discounting the Trump supporter did anything violent. This is what I was responding to.

There was at least a level of that cop hating you say you did before jpat99 only some were willing to take it to assaulting cops. Sort of the difference some people get into bar fights & some don't.  Some can hate cops while others want to assault them.

Something made some of these guys decide it was OK to attack cops. Do you think it had ANYTHING to do with the whole "they" stole the election thread of thought? That people could be do devoted to Trump they wanted to physically attack the faceless "them" that stole th election?

Dec 19, 2021 3:27:10 GMT abbey1227 said:

oh, and fry cook, grill cook, counter person, Asst manager, drive-thru window, etc etc etc........all under the Golden Arches but not the same thing?

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Some of these things hurt my brain so bad.

The district attorney prosecuted cases.
This makes them lawyers representing the state.
The Judge decides the case. In California that puts them technically under the jurisdiction of the State of California, not the local county.
You are describing jobs at the same business.
Like those things exist at McDonalds & at Denny's.  Would you confuse McDonalds & Denny's as being the same company?

The thing is to the average lawbreakers it is one big entity when it is the officer that arrested them could be a policeman, a Sheriff,  a harbor patrol officer, school security, etc.

Why would a logical brain see them as the same thing as lawyers with years of schooling to learn the law well enough to either prosecute the criminals or to defend them? Do you think they trade off? One case they are prosecutors & others they are defenders or does the idea strike you as absurd as it is?

Or the clerks shuffling papers around the offices of the Court, the police, etc.?

Actually those court reporters are paid obscenely well. The ones typing those notes in court who are sometimes asked to read what someone just said in court? Their annual salary was double mine. Over $100,000/yr. 

Bailiffs? Here that's handled by the Sheriff Department

No. I'm asking if the initial accounts have been verified/proven? WHY do you think Trump's catchphrase 'Fake News' has taken off so much? Couldn't be because they've been outright lying so much, could it? Always in one direction, too. Ask Nick Sandman how much he's got in his wallet these days if you don't believe me.

I would not be above assaulting anyone in self-defense.........cop or otherwise. But I seriously wonder about the excuses people use nowadays........and the narrative the media inconsistently pushes again and again.

I don't know, merh. It could be different for every person.......could it have been all the undercover FBI types shouting and encouraging them? Lots of videos not being shown thus far.

Sorry for the headache. I get them too sometimes 

Ummmmm, prosecutors and public defenders/defense attorneys are lawyers. Judges are lawyers. Many politicians were lawyers. They pass more and more laws designed to restrict people. Why wouldn't any person consider them all part of the same system of oppression?

Ummm, yeah, If Dennys is making me a burger and fries, I'd think of them similarly to McDs.  It's a restaurant.

The average lawbreaker is a bit of an idiot.......but it can be hard to keep track of ALL of the multiple agencies, ordinances and laws and those that provide 'justice'. Are you making the case that we have too many laws and too much Govt in our lives?

You should have become a stenographer, huh? More money.......less up close contact with the criminal element. 

I'm not really going to dwell too much on the various agencies....... I realize there's village, city, county and state officers.........as well as jailers, probation, social worker, etc etc  Though it does make me laugh at the territorial aspects of these agencies that are sworn to uphold the law in general....... plus the modern perception of how well all of those things communicate and work together (Which they do not all that well, imo)

[merh]

Dec 20, 2021 9:40:24 GMT abbey1227 said:

Dec 20, 2021 8:33:38 GMT merh said:

Once again you are discounting the Trump supporter did anything violent. This is what I was responding to.

There was at least a level of that cop hating you say you did before jpat99 only some were willing to take it to assaulting cops. Sort of the difference some people get into bar fights & some don't.  Some can hate cops while others want to assault them.

Something made some of these guys decide it was OK to attack cops. Do you think it had ANYTHING to do with the whole "they" stole the election thread of thought? That people could be do devoted to Trump they wanted to physically attack the faceless "them" that stole th election?

...
Some of these things hurt my brain so bad.

The district attorney prosecuted cases.
This makes them lawyers representing the state.
The Judge decides the case. In California that puts them technically under the jurisdiction of the State of California, not the local county.
You are describing jobs at the same business.
Like those things exist at McDonalds & at Denny's.  Would you confuse McDonalds & Denny's as being the same company?

The thing is to the average lawbreakers it is one big entity when it is the officer that arrested them could be a policeman, a Sheriff,  a harbor patrol officer, school security, etc.

Why would a logical brain see them as the same thing as lawyers with years of schooling to learn the law well enough to either prosecute the criminals or to defend them? Do you think they trade off? One case they are prosecutors & others they are defenders or does the idea strike you as absurd as it is?

Or the clerks shuffling papers around the offices of the Court, the police, etc.?

Actually those court reporters are paid obscenely well. The ones typing those notes in court who are sometimes asked to read what someone just said in court? Their annual salary was double mine. Over $100,000/yr. 

Bailiffs? Here that's handled by the Sheriff Department

No. I'm asking if the initial accounts have been verified/proven? WHY do you think Trump's catchphrase 'Fake News' has taken off so much? Couldn't be because they've been outright lying so much, could it? Always in one direction, too. Ask Nick Sandman how much he's got in his wallet these days if you don't believe me.

I would not be above assaulting anyone in self-defense.........cop or otherwise. But I seriously wonder about the excuses people use nowadays........and the narrative the media inconsistently pushes again and again.

I don't know, merh. It could be different for every person.......could it have been all the undercover FBI types shouting and encouraging them? Lots of videos not being shown thus far.

Sorry for the headache. I get them too sometimes 

Ummmmm, prosecutors and public defenders/defense attorneys are lawyers. Judges are lawyers. Many politicians were lawyers. They pass more and more laws designed to restrict people. Why wouldn't any person consider them all part of the same system of oppression?

Ummm, yeah, If Dennys is making me a burger and fries, I'd think of them similarly to McDs.  It's a restaurant.

The average lawbreaker is a bit of an idiot.......but it can be hard to keep track of ALL of the multiple agencies, ordinances and laws and those that provide 'justice'. Are you making the case that we have too many laws and too much Govt in our lives?

You should have become a stenographer, huh? More money.......less up close contact with the criminal element. 

I'm not really going to dwell too much on the various agencies....... I realize there's village, city, county and state officers.........as well as jailers, probation, social worker, etc etc  Though it does make me laugh at the territorial aspects of these agencies that are sworn to uphold the law in general....... plus the modern perception of how well all of those things communicate and work together (Which they do not all that well, imo)

If you watch those Discovery ID murder shows,.you would know a lot of stuff gets held until after the case is decided in court. Some of it being stuff only the perpetrator would know. 

Yet you have decided the FBI did it.

All this info about people on Trump's side raising money, trying to change the election to the way they believe it should have gone.

Like those Wisconsin electors who faked paperwork to try to cast their votes for Trump. No conflict of interest that one of them is on the board of electors deciding whether or not to prosecute himself.

The way all the fraud being found seems to be Republicans casting extra votes for Donald?

[abbey1227]

Dec 22, 2021 12:17:17 GMT merh said:

If you watch those Discovery ID murder shows,.you would know a lot of stuff gets held until after the case is decided in court. Some of it being stuff only the perpetrator would know. 

Yet you have decided the FBI did it.

All this info about people on Trump's side raising money, trying to change the election to the way they believe it should have gone.

Like those Wisconsin electors who faked paperwork to try to cast their votes for Trump. No conflict of interest that one of them is on the board of electors deciding whether or not to prosecute himself.

The way all the fraud being found seems to be Republicans casting extra votes for Donald?

OR.......... a lot of people doing the same things people associated with Al Gore did before in trying to legally challenge the results.

Again, the very same FBI that admitted Hillary broke the law, yet never bothered charging her with a thing. They pick and choose.